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Old 09-18-2010, 06:36 PM   #1
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Supersprings

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Has anyone heard of their products or have any experiance with them. I am looking to stiffin up our suspension on the truck for the Sunny and maybe a truck camper down the road. They are extra leaf springs that clamp on you existing set up.

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IMHO, an F250 doesn't need a stiffer suspension. Your truck is more than adequate for a 264 with a properly adjusted wd hitch. These spring helpers only come into play as you increase the load. With a wd hitch I doubt that they will do anything at all because you probably don't have enough compression of the factory springs to begin with.

With truck campers and 5th wheels there is no wd to level out a heavily loaded truck. Air bags are commonly used to raise the rear end back to level and would provide a much better, but more expensive, ride than helper springs.

It's important to remember that there are no after market add-ons that will increase the capacity of any truck. You will always be limited by the lower of the factory GVWR, RGAWR and tire load.

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Old 09-19-2010, 09:23 PM   #3
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We have the reese dual cam hitch. I heard you can adjust the nuts inside the cams to even things up. I have never done anything like that before. Is this something I should have a RV shop do for me?
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We have the reese dual cam hitch. I heard you can adjust the nuts inside the cams to even things up. I have never done anything like that before. Is this something I should have a RV shop do for me?
David,

If you will look back through the posts here in the Towing and Tow Vehicles section, you will several long answers or posts by JohnB about properly setting up and adjusting the dual cam system.

If you read them over, you may find that it can be done in your driveway by you.

One of the things we have all learned is that dealers don't always do such a good job of setting up weight distribution systems. My personal experience is that the dealer didn't tighten up the ball to the platform and they didn't tighten up the tilt adjustment nut either. That dealer will never touch my towing system again.

I would encourage you to learn about this first and then decide if you want a dealer/repair shop to do the work.
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We have the reese dual cam hitch. I heard you can adjust the nuts inside the cams to even things up. I have never done anything like that before. Is this something I should have a RV shop do for me?
Hey Dave...

We had the same hitch on the 2499 and on the 320, when we had them. It was already set-up on the 2499, but I had to do the set-up of it on the 320. I did as Steve suggested and read the posts about setting the hitch up properly. If you'd like, I would be happy to help you get it set properly. The Spring Mills Wal Mart parking lot would be a perfect place to do it!!
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We will have do that sometime soon. We are going to out camping this weekend up Gettysburg and are planning on brining the sunny home with us. We'll have get together and look at it.

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Hi Dave

If your thinking you need the super springs for the TT, something in your hitch setup is not adjusted right. When you went from the F350 to the F250 did anyone readjust the hitch? Suspension that different will need an adjustment.

And actually air bags and super springs in most cases work against a WD hitch. There are a few circumstances where air bags and a WD hitch get along but it is with large changing bed loads and mostly 1 ton trucks that can handle the extra bed weight. They require a little different WD setup process. Unless your bed loads behind the rear axle are changing by a few hundred pounds from trip to trip, the WD hitch alone will take care of properlry setting the WD on the truck.

If you need help in the setup, ask away.

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I may be wrong, but they may want to take the TT and a potential truck camper at the same time.

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I may be wrong, but they may want to take the TT and a potential truck camper at the same time.

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Dave, if this is the case, there are other things to work thru. The F250 rear axle can only take 6,000# and that is about all the pay load the F250 can take before reaching GVWR. Pending what springs/bed/cab options you have the rear axle may have a curb weight of 2,280 to 2,460#.

Hooking a 1,200# TT tongue onto the truck does not leave a lot of payload left plus passangers.

And then there is the rear overhang issue of the receiver pin box if the truck camper hangs out beyond the truck bed. The std Ford Super duty receiver will get de-rated when you put an extension in it. Have to do some digging on the derated factor but it is something to work thru.

Are you really adding a truck camper and towing the Sunline?
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John,

We are looking to get a truck camper for short trips. Ford says the truck has a payload rating of 3,400#'s. I was just looking for the best option to stiffin it up a little bit. We are not going to tow the sunny at the same time. We are looking at airbags incase we get a heavier truck camper.

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Sorry for so long getting back to you. OK, in your situation with large bed loads changing then air bags is the better way to go over super springs. This is where air bags fit well.

For TT towing deflate the bag to minimum psi for that brand. Many times this is in the 5 psi range so the bag does not pinch itself. Then set the WD hitch. When you use the truck camper, then air up the bag as needed.

Many have done this successfully. The key is you are starting with a 3/4 ton truck and your not trying to fix a WD hitch issue with the air bag.

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I just thought of something that I thought I should mention.
I don't know much about supplemental air springs, but if they are interconnected, as in fill both from one access point, one will get air traveling from one side to the other. This means that the air springs will not give much resistance to sway, like they would if they are not interconnected.
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Roar, that's a good point. I'm not sure about all air bag systems, but at least with what I've used, the fill lines are very small, like 1/8". So it would take a while to move a large volume of air through to another bag.

Depending on the system, many people have the left and right be different systems. They all run off the same pump but are filled individually. Most pickup owners who don't plow snow will install rear bags controlled individually because it could be adjusted for an uneven bed load, or possibly an unevenly loaded truck camper. Pickup owners who also plow snow will sometimes tie the rear together and the front together if they want them all controlled from the cab. Sure, it's possible to have the front manual for those rare times when it would need to be filled for the winter.

I went with tying the front together and the rear together on the Excursion and when those bags are cranked up with some pressure in them, it makes it much more stable than the stock suspension. But I agree, it could certainly transfer air between with a little sway.

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Since we have been towing the Sunny with the blue truck I don't know when we are going to think about a truck camper. This truck tows so much better than our old one we can take her just about any where. All the mountains going out I68 were no problem. Evrybody knows how we are though we may get the idea one day. I think if we do go that way we will get the air bags.

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