Igniter for refridgerator

Kathi-SUN

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We have a dometic gas/electric refridgerator that needs an igniter. It is taking the dealer a long time to research the part. I'm hoping I can get some advise as to where we might find one. Any help would be appreciated! Thank you!:)

Kathi
 
Hi Kathi,

I may be able to help. I need some info from you to know how to best help. Since you are the first to report the hard-finding issue, I will expand on this as others, including me, have many Sunlines with this same igniter.


I know the original fridge in your camper was either an RM2652 or a slightly larger option, RM2852.

There's a potential for confusion regarding the model year and the ignition system. While your signature indicates a 2005 Sunline, more is needed to determine the exact ignition system you have. Dometic upgraded the spark control for the gas burner that appears on some of the 2007 Sunlines built in 2006 and possibly some 2006 Sunlines built in 2005. This is why I'm not certain about your ignition system based solely on the year and model number.

To your direct wording, you said you need the igniter, and I'm going out on a limb without pics of what yours looks like. You have the older ignition with a separate PC control board and a separate 679 igniter since you are asking for the igniter.

The separate control setup with the 679 igniter, which you're looking for, has a distinct appearance. It looks like this. Please let us know if this matches what you have and confirm the part number on the cover of the control board.

You have two black boxes next to each other that look like this
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With the covers off, it looks like this.
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The 679 igniter itself. That appears to be discontinued.
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The control box has this part number on it for the separate igniter control 385 0415-01
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After searching, the original white cube with a 679 number on that many call igniter seems to keep coming up out of stock, and many places show it discontinued. This can be why the dealer can't find it.

Other parts of the ignition system include the electrode, the thermocouple, and the control board. Are they all OK? What led you to the igniter not working? Do you know if the fridge works on electric?

I do have two other options if the 679 igniter cannot be located.

1. Use a good brand of after-market igniters. Dinosaur Electronics appears to have made a replacement igniter for the Dometic part. Dinosaur Ele. are good parts and boards.

The odd part is, or that this offering is so new, this igniter does not show up on the Dinosaur website. I have never used this seller, and I cannot state whether they are good or not. But I would call Dinosaur directly and confirm their offer it and who they shipped them to so you can get one.

https://www.partsfortechs.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=421385

Here is the Dinosaur website. https://www.dinosaurelectronics.com/index.htm

2. A second option is to convert the controls to the newer Dometic combined igniter main board. I have seen this upgrade of a one-board control in at least two 2007 Sunlines.

There is no separate igniter on this system. It is part of the main PC board
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The cover and part number
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Looks like this inside the cover.
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Before doing the conversion, we need to check that the thermocouple and electrode are the same across the two versions. This PC board change will cost more, but it saves the fridge. Dinosaur also offers this combo control board. https://www.dinosaurelectronics.com/DE_3850712.html

I myself will try to call Dinosaur tomorrow to see if the igniter is available. I will report back. This would be the easiest and possibly cheaper way to go.

Dometic is slowly starting to discontinue supporting older systems. I don't know where the year cut-off is. I have seen parts of the Atwood, A&E, Sealand brands, and even Dometic original brands where certain parts are no longer available on older systems.

Hope this helps

John
 
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Kathi,

I have contacted Dinosaur Electronics through their web-based help portal. They are on PST time out west. If I do not hear back from the web request in two days, I can try to call them directly; the phone number only shows up after the service request. They are a manufacturer that does not sell directly to the open public.

This may take longer with the July 4th holiday. I will report back with anything I find out. I want to get at least one of these for my shop.

John
 
Dinosaur Electronics update: I received a response today, the same day I sent them a request.

Here is my request:
Appliance type: Absorption Refrigerator
> model and part number: RM2652. Part number 2931132019
> Current problem: I am trying to locate information on whether you
> offer the igniter module for a Dometic RM2652 fridge with a separate 679 series igniter.
>
> I found online at one seller what looks like your igniter part number
> called out as: DOMETIC REIGNITOR MODULE REPLACEMENT PART #:
> 2931132019-A
>
> I cannot find this part on your website or any information about it.
> Please confirm that you offered this replacement igniter.

Here is Dinosaur's response:
Hellow Mr. xxxxx

We do manufacture a reignitor module; that part is a direct replacement
for the OEM 679 you listed.

It is not on our site yet, as I have not taken the proper pictures of it.

This is good news! Everything I have bought from Dinosaur has been good, and it has a 3-year warranty, which is better than the OEM.

You can order this online from places selling the Dinosaur brand control parts or order it through a local RV dealer with access to Dinosaur Electronics parts. Most dealers know of these folks; however, they may not realize this new product is available. Tell them about the part name and Dinosaur part number I listed above, and they should be able to get it.

I hope this helps. I'm sure this will come up for others in the future.

John
 
Good morning, John!

Thanks for getting all that info for me! From what you've shown me, I believe the second photo without the separate igniter is my unit. I'm enclosing a photo of mine to see if you concur. Again, thank you!

Kathi
 

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Hi Kathi
I don't mean to butt in on John but the picture you posted shows that yours has the ignitor. It is the small black cover to the right of the large one and has the yellow, black an d white wire coming out the bottom

Dave
 
Hi Kathi,

By your picture below and the main control board part number on the cover, you have the older system with a remote igniter.

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As Dave stated, the igniter is the small black box to the right of the main control board in your pictures. You can see the very bottom of the little black box in the picture above. There is a yellow, black, and semi-translucent wire coming out of it.

From all I can find, that igniter as sold by Dometic has been discontinued. This may be why your dealer cannot get it.

You can tell your dealer that Dinosaur Electronics now offers a direct replacement igniter for the discontinued Dometic igniter. I see tonight it now shows up on their website. They must have added it this week.
https://www.dinosaurelectronics.com/DE_Reign.htm

Most dealerships know of Dinosaur Electronics and have access to buying from them.

I did find this online sales place selling them. They had 8 in stock last week and now have 5 in stock as of tonight.
https://www.partsfortechs.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=421385

Hope this helps

John
 
Hi Kathi
I don't mean to butt in on John but the picture you posted shows that yours has the ignitor. It is the small black cover to the right of the large one and has the yellow, black an d white wire coming out the bottom

Dave

Dave,

No issues, good buddy. From your background in RV repair, your input is always wanted, welcomed, and highly respected. Please chime in at any time. :)

Thanks

John
 
Good morning, gentlemen!

I found the part you mentioned on the ASAP site. It's just under $90.00, and I'm prepared to order it myself. My concern is to whether or not we can install it ourselves?

And, Dave, I greatly appreciate your "butting in" as any advise is greatly useful! Thanks!

Kathi
 
Hi Kathy,

We are not sure about your electrical skills or if you have a friend who is an electrician or a mechanic who works on cars/trucks, etc., who can help you. Changing the ignitor is a relatively easy job for someone who knows home electrical or automotive 12-volt DC electrical. They come with the understanding and safety to make sure the power is completely de-energized on both the 120-volt AC power and the 12-volt DC power before working on the system. We want to only put you in a situation within your skills. If you have someone who can fill the tech role, we can help.

The bigger question is, is the whole problem with your fridge only the igniter? While they do go bad occasionally, it might be as simple as the igniter or not. We do not know any of the symptoms of the original problem. Does the fridge work on electricity, just not gas, or what other troubleshooting was done to know that only the igniter is the problem?

You can change and try the igniter; if that solves the problem, great. If it does not fix it, you will need someone with tech skills and tools, such as a DC volt /ohm meter, to start the next wave of testing.

Let us know about what skills your helper has, what works or does not work on the fridge, and if you know what was checked out and what was not.

Hope this helps,

John
 
Good morning!

My electricial skills are very limited, but Lou is more suited for it. I'm not sure if he would feel comfortable replacing the part without some specific guidance, as he has a very healthy respect for electricity.

The reason we suspect the igniter is because we recently went to Ohio for a weekend. We had the fridge on gas on the way to the campground. We plugged in at our site, and assumed all was well. When we got home it was quite late, so we waited to unload until the following morning. We discovered then that the gas did not work on the way home. We moved the camper to make sure it was level. The fridge still would not run on gas. We know the gas was getting to the stove, as when we got home we discovered that we had run out of propane for our home stove, and had to cook our meals in the camper. We tried to hear the clicking of the igniter. I was inside, and Lou was outside. Neither of us could hear any clicking at all. The fridge is running on electric well.

I found the replacement unit for $179.95, which I thought was fairly reasonable.

Kathi
 
Hi Kathie,

I’m on a limited internet signal for the next few weeks. It comes and goes. Tonight, I have a signal, so I will offer some help. Since Dave may be following your post, he is welcome to join in with comments, as I may not have the signal to respond very quickly.

Your description of how you concluded that the igniter may have tricked you, as other things can cause the system to not run on gas. Here are a few things to try. If Lou has any reservations about this testing, stop and do not do them. Depending on the outcome of these tests, more complex tests may follow, but here is a start.

The good news is that your fridge's PC board has some level of working if it runs okay on electricity. Do not know yet the gas mode part of the board.

You did not mention if you got a “check” fault light when the system did not work on gas. The check fault light is inside at the top control panel next to the Auto light and the buttons to turn the fridge on and off. The check light when it lights up means that the system tried and cannot light the burner on gas. Did you get a check fault?

That is the first test if you cannot remember if the check light came on or want to confirm.

We will try to start the fridge on gas, but let’s do it like this, as you stated. It worked in camp on electricity, and later, on the way home, it did not. When the fridge is in auto, it senses if the 120 VAC shore power is on, starts up, and runs on electricity. If the refrigerator loses the 120 VAC, it automatically switches to gas mode and will try to light if there is a call for cooling. We want to simulate this, starting with electric and then detecting a loss of 120 VAC, and it should automatically try to run in gas mode. Please make sure the fridge is warm enough that it wants to run the gas burner.

Ensure the propane is turned on and the stove burners are lit to help purge the air out of the gas lines. Then, start the refrigerator in auto mode on electric. Ensure the battery is charged and turned on and you are plugged into shore power. Open the fridge door and see that the light inside is on; that means the system is powered up.

With the fridge turned on the inside, take the white lower vent panel off the outside. Facing the back of the fridge on the left side is what looks like a standard extension cord plug plugged into a wall outlet. That is 120 VAC for the fridge heating element. Pull the plug out. This will drop out the 120 VAC power to the controls, and the system automatically goes to gas mode and should, after a few seconds, try to light on gas. (again, make sure the fridge is not cooled down) You should hear a faint click (one time per try to light cycle) of the gas valve turned on and off, even if you cannot hear the igniter clicking.

When the fridge is in gas mode, the system will try to light on the gas three times. It’s a sequence: the gas valve turns on (one faint click you hear ), then the igniter tries to light the gas for about 45 seconds, and you hear constant 1-second snap/clicks. If it fails to light, it has a 2-minute wait to purge all gas, then starts over a second cycle. The check light will turn on if it fails after the third attempt and stops trying to light. The trying-to-light sequence can take 7 to 8 minutes before the check light comes on, indicating a flame fault. Once the check light comes on, when you reset it, you get three more tries to start on gas. To reset the fault, turn the fridge off, and it will reset the fault. When you turn it back on, it will go through 3 more tires and go into check fault if it does not light. Plug the 120 VAC element cord back in when you are done testing.

The above tells us if the PC control board works in gas mode if; the check fault works, and if the igniter received a signal to start sparking, plus does which can send a large voltage to create a spark. Can you tell us how that test worked or did not? You can plug the element cord back in and turn the fridge off when you are done.

The next test is to confirm if your igniter has failed. The one you have may be working, but you are not getting the normal spark sound, which could be another issue at the electrode.

To test if the igniter is working, then do this sequence.

1. Turn the fridge off inside. Turn the battery off and unplug the shore power.

2. Go outside, and with the lower vent panel removed, remove the black cover over the igniter module. There is one Philips head screw at the top to remove the cover. See this picture as the igniter will look like this.
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3. At the top of the igniter is a white translucent wire; that white-looking wire is the electrode wire. Gently wiggle and pull the wire connector out (pull on the connector and not the actual wire) of the igniter and let it hang in the open. Looks like this
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4. Turn the battery power back on, plug the shore power back in, go inside, and turn the fridge on Auto. The auto light should be on, and the fridge should start on electric.

5. Go outside when the fridge is on and in auto, pull the 120-volt element plug, and it should start igniter sparking, but the sound will be very different. You should hear a lower sound level click/snap, followed by a whining up for about 1 second, then another click/snap followed by a whining, then keep repeating this click/whining sound for about 45 seconds.

6. If you hear the click/whining, click/whining, etc., the igniter is good, and your problems are in the gas burner area. If there are no clicks and no whining, the PC board is not turning on the igniter, the igniter ground wire is a bad connection, or the igniter is dead and needs to be replaced.

7. If you have a DC voltmeter and feel okay doing this, you can test the yellow wire for 12 VDC positive power when the ignitor is supposed to be operating. The black wire is the DC negative or DC ground wire. Those small black wires end up on a small bolt that holds many ground wires together near the white terminal block. If there is corrosion on the bolt or wires, clean up the corrosion. Shut all power off, undo the nut on the bolt, and clean up the wire terminals. See the little black wire with an eyelet on the small bolt. That is the fridge DC ground connections.
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After you determine that the igniter is working, the next area is at the gas burner. Carbon builds up on the thermocouple or electrode tip, which can affect the sparking action when it gets long enough. The electrode gap also must be right. More on all this after you sort out the PC board, : the check fault system and the igniter works.

When was your gas burner area last cleaned and checked? If you use gas mode often, annually or every other year, maintenance is to vacuum up rust and dirt from the area, check for the carbon build-up and the electrode gap, and all get cleaned. Many times, this area is addressed only when it stops working. Mud daubers make a mess in the gas burner if you do not have screens on the lower vent.

Hope this helps

John
 
Hi John!

We ended up deciding we probably would do better just getting a new refrigerator. Thank you for all your help! And, Dave, you, too!

Kathi
 
Hi Kathi,

If you are looking for a new gas/ electric absorption fridge like you have now, the cost has gotten worse since Covid. They are expensive.

If all that is wrong with your old one is, it does not work on gas, that is a very fixable problem for considerably less money then a new fridge installed. Even if you hire a dealer to fix the gas portion, it would still be less costly.

If you decide you want to come back to trying to get it to work, we are here to help as we can.

Thanks

John
 

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