Twin Turbocharged 3.5 V-6

Mark · 10-15-2010, 04:18 PM

Anyone see the numbers on the new Ford V6?

365 hp, 420 lb-ft torque ???

This should make the other mfg's scramble:

Ford Announces Official Output Figures for 2011 F-150 EcoBoost - Car and Driver Blog

**JohnB** · 10-15-2010, 07:13 PM

Wow..... Thanks for the link.

I wonder if they have issued a power curve yet? 365 hp and 420 ft lb of torque on a 1/2 ton truck??? And the dangerous part, that article stated a 11,300# tow rating. Chevy doing similar. There is a point when that much guts under the hood just plain needs better suspension to create a stable system to tow with it if we are talking TT's

Heck my V10 3 valve 6.8 is rated 362 hp and 457ft lb of torque but the power curve is pretty flat.

I also see the new 6.2 V8 at 411 hp and 434 ft lb of torque. I think in 2011 that is what is replacing the V 10 in the F250 and F350.

OK doing some digging, if I have this right...

The new 6.2 V8 is 385 hp at 5,500 rpm and 405 ft lb of torque at 4,500.

The prior 6.8 V10 3 valve is 362 hp at 4750 and 457 ft lb of torque at 3,250 rpm

Can't find the V6 turbo engine yet but I'm thinking it must be a high rpm design to get that much out of it.

I must say, 2011 is the new year for HP and torque wars....

Thanks for sharing

John

Mark · 10-15-2010, 07:42 PM

No problem.

This excites me because there is hope for this hobby over the next 25 years. As gas prices increase, there has to be breakthrough on engine size and fuel consumption. I want to see which RV manufacturer is the first to have a hybrid Class C, B+ or even A.

**Sunline Fan** · 10-15-2010, 07:44 PM

Don't feel bad John, my little V10 only puts out 310 @ 4750 and 425 lb-ft @ 3250. Here they are claiming a little V6 will do about that/better?

**JohnB** · 10-15-2010, 08:01 PM

Yes, I'm too always thinking, they need to come up with something with enough power to haul the camper and be economical too. Who knows where we will be in 5, 10 and 15 years from now?

I'm hoping that someone will want to capitalize on some aftermarket kit to sell that can take the older engines and make them burn something we can afford if gas goes out of site.

Jon, yes I was thinking the same thing on the older V10's. They are still of good engine. Just thirsty.

**Sunline Fan** · 10-15-2010, 08:22 PM

I just changed out my 115k factory fuel filter last weekend, now it's even more thirsty... I have been getting pretty consistently 14.5-15.5 with my daily commuting too, so I can't complain too much.

It's like a prius compared to a 6.4 PSD though...

ihsolutions · 10-16-2010, 09:08 AM

Yeah my friend has been talking about the ecoboost in the F-150 for over a year now. I've been trying to convince him to upgrade to a 2500 series truck (diesel) since his current F150 is overloaded. Changing the engine won't change that at all.

I think this engine sounds great for normal everyday use but I can't see it being great for towing. Once you get a load moving, you are still fighting wind resistance which seems to be the big culprit in reducing gas mileage. I can't see the smaller displacement making that big of a difference.

When I had my T-2570, I would get about 12 mpg towing with my 2500 diesel. Now, pulling my 13,000 pound, 38 foot fifth wheel, I still get 11mpg. A shockingly marginal difference.

rebellious78 · 10-17-2010, 05:30 PM

I am suprised at the mpg I am geting with the 6.7 power stroke. We are getting around 21.5 mpg just driving and around 15 mpg towing depending on how you drive. I was told it would be pretty good, but I was getting 13 mpg driving and around 10 or so towing with that 06 350 5.4 Triton.
Your right John it just shows us what these companies can do improve their vehicles and in a few years we may be getting mpg in the 30's. You never know

Dave

GoodoleBob · 10-17-2010, 09:00 PM

My two cents. My Cummins is just 6 cylinders producing 325 HP but 600 ft lbs of torque...a brute with that 600 ft lbs coming in at 1600 RPM which is right at 57-58 mph with my 3:73 gearing. This on a 3/4 ton platform is to me the ultimate way to tow a fair size trailer. Now add on the towing mpg of 16 I'm getting plus 22-23 unloaded highway mileage, and there is no other truck I'd be interested in as far as I can see. Opinions of course.

Bob

Mark · 10-18-2010, 11:10 AM

Not wanting this to turn into my engine beats your engine, or gas versus diesel, but the Ford approach seems smart--- all things considered.

Here in SW PA, as gas prices creep towards $3.00 due to: change over to heating oil refinement, no wait Tsunami fears, wait I think it was Terrorism, oh wait, I know, supply manipulation......but I digress.....

If get 13/14'ish from my Chevrolet 5.3 V8 (in the city) now, and this engine could replace it, and get me near 20 MPG, that is one HELL of improvement.

I see there are already doubters, but I think these numbers don't lie.....
The other sign that tells me these numbers are "on the money" is that Ford is charging MORE for this V6 than the V8.......

Smart Move

henryj · 10-19-2010, 10:49 AM

I don't have any inside info, but according to my brother, a retired engineer, the V6 will likely have direct injection and two small turbos that spin up quickly to provide power at low rpm. The one concern he has is that turbos aren't meant to have the hammer down for long periods of time--the diesel types have been monitoring exhaust gas temps for years--and whether this engine will have enough beef in the top end to pull the long grades under power when trailer towing. I don't think I'd buy the first year.

Henry

Viking · 10-21-2010, 08:26 PM

GoodoleBob,
Looks like your rig and mine are close to identical.
We hook our 2004 T-2499 behind a 2004 Dodge 2500, 4x4 long bed, quadcab, Cummins and automatic tranny.
What have you done to yours? Your numbers are fantastic!
I rember when we drove down to pick up the Sunline, I had the cruise set at a true 70 MPH, checked by GPS, and we got 19.1. Local driving gets us 17.5, and towing at close to 60 we get in the 13 to 14 range, depending on wind direction.
We still only have 18xxx miles on the truck. Do you think it will improve as the engine gets more miles on it?
My son has an '06, very similar except for it is a one ton with duals. He had a "chip" installed to modify the ECU, K&N intake filter, and Banks exhaust, and he gets numbers similar to yours.
I'd like to try his "chip" for my Cummins one of these days.
Roar

GoodoleBob · 10-22-2010, 06:42 AM

Hi Roar,

Well to be honest, all I have done is drive it and maintain it, and I currently have 41000 miles on the odometer. I believe I've seen slight improvements as the motor continued to break-in. These diesels seem to take a while to settle into their most economical stage, and I think mine has finally done so. The unloaded highway mileage just astounds me frankly. If I fillup and stay steady highway driving at my usual 65mph it will often give me 23/24 mpg if the terrain is not hilly. I'm also seeing my 2499 towing mileage increase about 1 mpg over the last 15000 miles of break-in. Again it is somewhat dependant upon the terrain being fairly level with the occasional long grade also thrown into the mix. I tow reliably in cruise-control at typically 58/59 mph and never more than 60...I'm pretty religious about these numbers to. It yields towing economy figures I would put up against anyones numbers in this weight category, not to mention a degree of safety I always want to maintain.

I hear and have read about all the add on equipment some use to enhance performance and economy with these diesel trucks, but with these numbers I'm getting I would not risk any changes frankly...not to mention additional expenditures. A thrifty Yankee here...

Best of luck with your rig Roar!

Bob

Viking · 10-22-2010, 07:22 AM

Bob,
I agree. Your numbers are good enough that I would not mess with anything either.
Michigan is pretty flat, and we have not yet towed in the mountains. When we came back from picking up the Sunline, I kept the speedometer at 60, which worked out to a true 57 as per the GPS. So it seems our driving habits are similar too. Wonder why the difference in consumption? 2 to 4 MPG difference is significant, at least in my wallet! I could get a little above 20 on the highway, I think, if I kept the speed at a steady 55, but driving like that, my son on his 3500 would get 25 or better.
On the subject of squeezing a lot of power out of a smaller engine.
Temperature is usually what kills an engine. I remember many years ago, probably in the sixties or early seventies. We were running tests on the 413 truck engines in the Husband fleet out of Ontario. The truckers really liked the 413 for its quick get up and go, and they did quite well in local traffic, but out on the expressways in long hauls, under constant high load, the engines did not hold up very long.
Hope Ford has figured out how to handle this. The trend to smaller engines with higher outputs is one we are going to have to live with in our future, due to government regulations. Seems everybody is signing up for the global warming hoax.
I guess it is called "climate change" now, and thank goodness for climate change. If it was not for climate change, which we have had for thousands of years, we here in Michigan would now be sitting under a giant glacier, and ditto for Scandinavia and good hunks of Northern Europe.
32°F and heavy frost here this morning. Signs of more to come.
Regards,
Roar

Mark · 11-05-2010, 08:49 AM

A new update:

"...And it will take whatever loads drivers can heap on it, with 365 hp, 420 lb.-ft torque, and 11,300 lbs. towing capacity. For comparison, that’s more torque and towing capacity than is available from any engine in any competitor’s truck. Ram drivers with a manly Hemi under the hood may snicker at the F-150’s “EcoBoost” badge, but the EcoBoost will thumb its nose at the Hemi as it powers away with more torque that is delivered at lower revs. "

Ford

GoodoleBob · 11-07-2010, 10:10 AM

Mark....your right, the Ram Hemi is not a performer as much as that iconic name would suggest. It's more muffler tone that solid power unfortunately...I test drove one before getting my diesel...no contest at all.

Bob