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Old 04-24-2012, 05:21 PM   #1
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Think a TT Dealer was at it Again??

I was glancing through the online for sale bulletin board at work and saw the same person with the following items for sale:

1. Toyota Tundra After market exhaust
2. Toyota Tundra After market "rear end enhancement"
3. 12 K Pullrite fiver hitch
4. After market extended mirrors.

How much you want to bet on this dealer quote: "That Tundra will pull that.......with no problem at all"

All four ads had the same comment: Removed item from my truck before I bought bigger truck to pull fifth wheel camper"

God, I hate it when the dealer isn't upfront about towing capacity. Just like the showman at the Timonium RV show that said my Dodge 2500 would pull the 12,600/15,900 38' Fiver we were visiting. He was a little ticked when I asked with a max tow of 12,900 who was going to drive the truck after we added the batteries and propane to the trailer.

BTW-That fact that this was a Tundra is immaterial to the rant. It could have been anybody's half-ton and the comments would still apply.



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Old 04-24-2012, 05:53 PM   #2
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The funny part is that he had to buy those parts trying to tow with that Tundra and then still had to buy a bigger truck.

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Old 04-24-2012, 06:16 PM   #3
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I fell for one of those guys myself. I bought my T1950 driving a 6 cyl Nissan truck. I was within my 5500# limit but couldn't get to highway speed and spend most of the time at 4000rpm. I'd tow up long hills at 25mph. He said it was perfect. I traded for the F150 V8 with 7300# cap.

I think I'll be okay with a 5th wheel with dry wt of 7000 and 11300 cap on new tv.
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Old 04-24-2012, 06:33 PM   #4
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My Tacoma is rate 6500# I would never try to haul that much weight! Yeah it probably would pull it begrudgingly but I think it would be a case of the tail wagging the dog people never stop to think what would happen to a light truck if the TT got into trouble.
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Old 04-24-2012, 06:46 PM   #5
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And boy oh boy do we see some REALLY scarey set-ups on Interstate 81, but "of" course the "stealer" told them they had enough truck to pull that trailer.

Then you have to decide "Do you stay behind them while they wiggle/sway down the road, OR do you risk passing them to get in front of them, or if possible pull into some place for a break and let the fool get way ahead of you.

I guess thats why with some of us, when we find a good, honest dealer we stick with them.

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I think I came across a salesman that runs counter to the bad trend. Our local RV dealer (Arlington RV) has 4 Saturdays of open house in the Spring with free food and all units open. I love to go and "kick tires" every year .... ok, and enjoy the pizza or subs or clam chowda. Several years ago I was wistfully looking through the motorhomes and Chet asked if he could answer questions. He is a real oldtimer and we got to chatting about camping and stuff. He asked what I had for TT and the GWR and what I towed with, including engine, hitch and tow rating. When I told him he said, ok you should be good with that but don't let anyone sell you anything longer or much heavier. WOW, this guy isn't going to sell anything the customer can't be totaly happy with. I took his card and told him that if I do buy a motorhome, he will be the one to sell it to me.

Chet K at Arlington RV is the guy to see.

Oh yes, I buy any parts I need from them, they have always have what I need.

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I see some very crazy setups around here in ny also, especially half tons dragging big 5ers around. the truck might be rated for 9 10 or 11k, but the problem is the rear axle/payload. i stole this example from another site, because i could not have said it better myself.....

"Therein lies the problem with half ton trucks, and even 3/4 ton trucks and 5th wheels. I have seen half ton trucks towing 5th wheels and stay away. It is almost impossible to tow a modern 5th wheel RV with any half ton and stay under the trucks' rear axle rating and GVWR. There are exceptions, but generally do not attempt.

Example: half ton truck with 1500 pounds of payload. Some have more, some have less.
Half ton towable 5th wheel RV, 7500 pounds dry.
You needx at least a 150 pound hitch in the bed, so payload is down to 1350 pounds. Auto sliders for short bed trucks are up to 250 pounds.
You, wife, kids, 400 pounds in the truck. Down to 950 pounds of payload available for the trailer pin weight.

5th wheels tow best with 15%-25% pin weight. But the exact placement of the axles will determine that with most in the 20-25% range. So that 7500 pound dry 5er will swell to 8500 pounds with options and camping supplies. Even if you found one with a minimum 15% pin weight and you loaded nothing in the basement storage (isn't that one of the best features of a 5er?) and nothing in the bedroom over the pin, that is 1275 pounds, already 325 pounds over the truck's GVWR. But most people pack front heavy on any RV because that is where the larger storage areas are. So 8500 pounds loaded, 20
% pin weight, that's 1700 pounds, plus the light hitch and people and now you need more like 2250 pounds of payload to pull one of the ultralite half ton towable 5ers.

Now you can imagine how a 3/4 ton truck gets quickly overloaded with it's mere 2500-3000 pounds of payload. A modest 10k pound 5er, 2000 pounds on the pin, a family of 4, the hitch, and you're at the GVWR, despite having 700+lb-ft of torque to move it.

Now there are some half tons that have had up to 3k pounds of payload over the last 10 years. No 2010 models, though. If you want a crew cab half ton, think 1900 pounds tops, and that is the 2010 F-150 with Max Tow Package. As mentioned, not all are equal. There exist some half ton pickups with door stickers showing payload less than 800 pounds, which is lower than my little Jeep and my minivan.

I highly recommend a 1-ton with at least 4500 pounds of payload for people considering 5ers. 3/4 ton is good for the largest TTs. The little half tons should carefully choose their lightweight TT."
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Hello all, I have a 1984 21ft. sunline. dont have any paper work showing all the specs on it. I need to know how big is the freash water tank is on it. plus the grey and black water tanks too. Thanks for any info.
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Hello all, I have a 1984 21ft. sunline. dont have any paper work showing all the specs on it. I need to know how big is the freash water tank is on it. plus the grey and black water tanks too. Thanks for any info.
Hi poboy1985 - I'd suggest you look up in the files section, Sunline Fan has scanned all of the brochures for the website - check out the 1985 brochure and see what model you have can then see all the specs for that model.

Welcome to the forum and enjoy your Sunline.

You will notice, once you start reading posts, that this forum is an extremely friendly forum with many helpful campers willing to help!

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