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Old 11-22-2017, 03:46 PM   #1
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Finally Weighed My T-1700

I finally weighed my 1996 T-1700 Solaris almost geared up for camping and was a little bit surprised.

Weighed 3,418 pounds. The GVWR is 4,000 pounds. The manual states the UVW is 2,075 pounds. So I’m hauling around 1,343 pounds of “stuff”.[emoji15]

Only thing not loaded was clothes and food, which I’m sure can add up in a hurry.

And sometimes I’ll fill my fresh tank at home. It’s stated in the manual that it’s 24 gallons but don’t know if it’s actually 18 gallons?

Either way, it’s about 500 more pounds than I had guessed.

These were just regular scales at the local landfill, so not able to get the individual axle weights or tongue weight.
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We all have our "stuff"...

10#, here, 5# their, 20# over there and somehow all those little weights add up to this big number of always creating a,

It has been said the average camper has at "least" 1,000 to 1,100# of stuff they add to the dry weight of a camper. And many are over that, me being one of them.... And as you have seen, it's not hard to do.

Sunline at least created their campers with cargo capacity to allow us to haul our stuff. Many of the new campers a whole lot bigger then yours and have less cargo capacity. Some as bad as 1,000 to 1,100# CCC on a 32 foot camper... That is hard.... All that room and you can't take much. They have taken lite weight sort of to the limit. Not that they are making the campers very light, some are but some are also more into reducing the cargo capacity to allow it to be towed by smaller tow vehicles.

If some day you get an actual loaded tongue weight, please let us know. I will add it to the Sunline actual loaded tongue weight post on your model. This one http://www.sunlineclub.com/forums/f7...hts-10765.html

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40# of propane 200# of water spare tire several pounds of beer a gallon of milk etc mounts up fast. My 1990 T1700 right about 3,000 3,100# ready to go.
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I was looking through my literature and realize I was mistaken about my UVW. It’s 2,385 lbs, not 2,075 lbs. I guess the 2,075 is each axle rating.

So that’s a 310 lbs difference and puts the weight for my “stuff” at 1,033 lbs, not the 1,343 originally posted.

Yes John, your 1,000 to 1,100 number is spot on.

I’ve seen what your talking about with the low cargo capacities. We looked at a few that would only hold 675 pounds.☹️

I’m just glad I educated myself for about a year before zeroing in on a Sunline.
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I have a suggestion. If a few of us could take the time to weigh our stuff (considering the averages of 1000-1100#, we're probably packing similar stuff), and divide it into categories like clothes, shoes, groceries, pots and pans, tools, chairs etc. it might give a hint as to which categories we might want to take a hard look at for weight reduction. I'm not suggesting we opt to go hungry on our camping trips, but we might want to re-think how many extra chairs we want to take along.

One thing I never intentionally do is haul fresh water. at 8.34#/gallon, a 30 gallon tank is holding an extra 250# of weight. I don't mind stopping to fill up on the way into the CG, although I don't see many others bothering to do it.
On the way out, the excess gets dumped.
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Hi Rich,

I have done some of what you are referring to when we had our T2499. And it is always amazing what "stuff" adds up to...Always an eye opener. A lot of small 20# items do add up. The key is, realize it.

In my case and as you know, that floor plan has cargo space that loads towards the tongue of the camper. This makes for a very stable towing camper, but the truck has to be able to handle the weight.

When we had our K2500 Suburban, (yes a 3/4 ton SUV) I had to watch what was loaded in the front of the camper and the truck cargo to not overrun the rear axle rating on the truck. The 3/4 ton SUV has a lower GAWR-RR then the 3/4 ton PU truck. Different spring pack and the fact that the PU truck is made to haul weight and is a lighter vehicle in the back then a SUV.

Here you can see what was in the back of the Suburban which was 250# worth. The fire wood being the biggest adder and then other smaller items but they all add up.


Then comes the camper front cargo hole and the A frame of the camper. Which on the T2499 is the major place to put outside camping gear. On the A frame I carried a spare extra 5lb LP tank and I included the weight of the WD bars as they partly add to TW. This came to 308#.


Everyone has different "stuff" that they take with them. For some, they may never use what others do and that's OK too. And then as you said, sometimes you have stuff that you think you are going to use and well, never do...

A review of "stuff" from time to time is always a good thing. If you have not used it in the last few years, do you really need it?? You do not want to overload your camper or your truck by accident. A point being, bring what makes your camping enjoyable, but do not go over your equipments ratings.

In the case of a 2004 T2499, it had a dry weight of 4,908# with added factory options. Sunline allowed us to put 2,092# of cargo in the camper before the 7,000# GVWR. Again the truck has to be able to handle this.

The average 1,000# of camping gear (stuff) seems to fit for most folks using a hard sided camper. Some have more, some less. It goes with the camping style of taking your kitchen sink with you.... When we had our pop up, we could not take as much and didn't. Seems graviting to a hard sided camper allows things to stay in the camper all the time so with that, extra weight comes. But it was convenient. Just add food, hook up and go.

Before the RV'ing bug bite us... I was an avid backpacker. 50# on my back (including daily water and food) and that was all we needed to camp comfortably for 2 weeks or more at a time less food drops that we would get every 3 to 4 days. We had a lot of good times then.

It seems the more room you have, the more somehow.... "stuff" eventually ends up being in the space. Just keep track of your weights and do not go over your equipments ratings.

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Wow, I’m surprised the firewood weighs that much. I’ve been known to stack 3 or 4 times that much in the back of my van, behind the rear axle no less. Reality check.

I was wondering if the A/C and awning are included in my dry weight. I’m guessing not as my brochure states “All weights are approximate and for standard equipped models”.

Options shown in my literature that I have on or in my camper.....

11 ft awning
Microwave
Shower skylight dome
11,000 btu A/C
TV antenna
Spare tire kit
Stabilizer jacks (4 crank down)

I guess I’ll never know the true dry weight until I unload my personal stuff and weigh it.
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Hi John,

On the Solaris line, you have to check the years. The newer ones had a lot of things as standard, but some of the older ones, they supplied them only as options.

In the 96 brochure, under Preferred Options it lists the awning and AC unit as options.

And they list the microwave, TV antenna, as an option too. A shower dome (skylight), I'm not sure. That was standard on trailers 23 to 30 ft. Your trailer being under that, it may be an option.

The stabilizers and the spare tire for sure where options. They were options all the way to the end.

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Firewood, when you add it one stick at a time it feels pretty light...
If you have hardwood, yeh the weight adds up quick. Even softwoods too pending the variety and how dry they are.

On the newer campers there was weight sticker inside the camper. It stated the dry weight with what options that were on it. I have no idea what year that started. I can attest to that 2004 and newer had them. Another Sunline Fan question. I'm assuming you have no weight sticker inside the camper on the inside of a kitchen or bathroom cabinet door?

Mine looks like this


At this point, yeh unloading the camper and taking it to a scale will give you true dry weight.

Hope this helps

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Hi John,
I don't think I've seen that sticker in our 2007 model. I wonder if it's in the binder.

I think the old saying that stuff expands to fill the weight allotted is true (I think Les S. Moore said that)

Right now, I have everything that was in my old truck in bins sitting on the floor. I plan on weighing it all just to see what it weighs, but more importantly, I'm going to try to be pretty ruthless about not putting it all back into my new truck. Most of it is work related and my thinking has always been to have it along just in case it was needed when I'm miles away on a job. But I see so many items that got buried and were just as useless, because I forgot they were there. It goes along the same line of thinking about being organized. If I don't store an item in a logical place, then when I need it, it's the same as not having it if I can't find it. Its taking up space (and/or adding weight) and being of no benefit.
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Wow, I’m surprised the firewood weighs that much. I’ve been known to stack 3 or 4 times that much in the back of my van, behind the rear axle no less. Reality check.

I was wondering if the A/C and awning are included in my dry weight. I’m guessing not as my brochure states “All weights are approximate and for standard equipped models”.

Options shown in my literature that I have on or in my camper.....

11 ft awning
Microwave
Shower skylight dome
11,000 btu A/C
TV antenna
Spare tire kit
Stabilizer jacks (4 crank down)

I guess I’ll never know the true dry weight until I unload my personal stuff and weigh it.
I burn fire wood to mostly heat my house in Maine I have acres of woods so it's cheap heat except for the hard labor part. If some one shows up in your yard with a full size pickup and says he has a cord of wood to sell you he's lying. First it not big enough and second it weights around 2 tons! I have a wagon that I tow with the tractor that's 8' wide and 12' long and I fill it to 3-4' high with tossed in split wood it will hold about 1 1/2 cord! Perception of weight all ways comes up short.
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Hi John,

On the Solaris line, you have to check the years. The newer ones had a lot of things as standard, but some of the older ones, they supplied them only as options.

In the 96 brochure, under Preferred Options it lists the awning and AC unit as options.

And they list the microwave, TV antenna, as an option too. A shower dome (skylight), I'm not sure. That was standard on trailers 23 to 30 ft. Your trailer being under that, it may be an option.

The stabilizers and the spare tire for sure where options. They were options all the way to the end.

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On the newer campers there was weight sticker inside the camper. It stated the dry weight with what options that were on it. I have no idea what year that started. I can attest to that 2004 and newer had them. Another Sunline Fan question. I'm assuming you have no weight sticker inside the camper on the inside of a kitchen or bathroom cabinet door?
These '96s were interesting. In theory a trailer this small was considered a Saturn, but in '95 for the anniversary, they made everything Solaris. I think the small ones still didn't have all the Solaris options available, and especially not the 7' wide models. So, I really doubt POG was an available option on a T-1700. The only way to know is the model spec sheet, which was usually put on the bathroom door mirror with stickers. I don't have many of these- most were thrown away and not put in the owners manuals. Later ones were VIN specific and had the VIN on them, but earlier ones were just a standard listing sheet by floorplan. The order sheet that is more commonly found only has checkboxes, and it isn't floorplan specific.

The interior weight sticker didn't come until 1996 or 1997, I'm pretty sure 1997 was the first year. They were usually in a kitchen cabinet then, and were moved to the bathroom sometime in the 2000s.

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Yep, it should be in the bathroom medicine cabinet, along with some other colorful warning stickers. There should be a copy in the front of the owner's manual as well, they started that around 2002 or 2003.
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I think the old saying that stuff expands to fill the weight allotted is true (I think Les S. Moore said that)
That is a fact/trait of campers.... When we moved all our stuff from our Coleman Mesa popup, the wider/taller/longer one, it had 2 king beds, all the stuff went into the T2499 real quick. Cindy and I said, wow, the new camper is empty... Well it wasn't really empty but it had lots of open spaces.

That changed after a year or 2 camping in it... We never filled totally to GVWR, more like 6,400 to 6,600 with stuff and mod upgrades. With no fresh water.

When we moved from the T2499 to the T310SR, it was not as shockingly empty. We did gain some more overhead, under coach and in the bathroom storage but the rest of the floorplan between a T2499 and a T310SR is not that different. Just more space around the table and chairs and walking down the middle of the camper.

The weight sticker, check all the kitchen cabinets, and pantry and the bathroom. Here is the one off our 2004 T2499.
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I really doubt POG was an available option on a T-1700.

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What’s POG?
Preferred Options Group. For 1996, I believe it included:
- Patio awning
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- Oak Kitchen Kit (cutting board, paper towel holder, possibly spice rack)
- Frosted bathroom window
- Outside Shower
- Deluxe 3 burner high output stove with oven and range top cover
- Microwave
- Seamless ABS shower walls
- Roof A/C
- TV antenna

Some of those options I think could be had on a 1700, but I don't think all were offered.

If you have your owners binder and it still contains the order sheet with check boxes, you can check to see if the POG was selected. IIRC, it was one of the top items.
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I’ve looked everywhere possible (I think) and can’t find any weight sticker in mine.

I do have this sheet in my documents that lists options....

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Preferred Options Group.

Have no idea where the Preferred came from, maybe Sunline Fans knows the background. An option is an option, why does it have to be preferred? Maybe a marketing thing way back when. In later years, all those options became standard in the Solaris.
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Opps, I did not see page 2.... Still a little clueless on the Preferred bit
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As the old saying goes; "If it were a snake, it would have bit me."!
I'm embarrassed to say, I never looked at that sticker, but today, I went out to look and there it was.

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Preferred Options Group.

Have no idea where the Preferred came from, maybe Sunline Fans knows the background. An option is an option, why does it have to be preferred? Maybe a marketing thing way back when. In later years, all those options became standard in the Solaris.
I don’t think individual options were preferred, but rather the group of options was preferred. But why was it preferred? I’m not sure. My guess is because it was a preferred way to order the options because it would be a cheaper deal than ordering a few of them individually. I don’t know pricing, but it’s possible POG wasn’t very expensive to add, so you’d be foolish to do ala cart.

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I’ve looked everywhere possible (I think) and can’t find any weight sticker in mine.

I do have this sheet in my documents that lists options....

I know I have one of those somewhere, but I can’t find it. Attached is the pink sheet with the POG check box I was referring to.
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