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12-12-2009, 09:47 PM
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12-12-2009, 09:54 PM
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WOW.....................
OK I was right. Now I know why Kitty does not put numbers on the license plate...
You will like the table and chairs. Cindy has a special way of packing the chairs so they do not hit when traveling. I'll have to dig up a pic and send. The combinations are sort of endless.
It looks great inside and the 5ers have better cabinets too.
Congrats, again....
John
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12-12-2009, 11:50 PM
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Geez Gary, so much for waiting until Thursday evening...
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12-13-2009, 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Sunline Fan
Geez Gary, so much for waiting until Thursday evening...
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I totally forgot about the bed-plug wire...
Mike picked up on it a little too quick!
Gary
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12-13-2009, 07:59 AM
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Well, the waiting 'til thursday is gonna be tuff, but I have a lot of stuff to pack out of the 320. BUT, no where as much as I had in the 2499. John would be proud of me as I have REALLY kept the storage compartments quite empty. I also had weighed EVERY thing that went into each compartment. I think that process will be redone in spring on a warm day though so I know exactly what will be in Sunny 17. I have "visited" this Sunline at least 2 X's a year since I got the 2499, and had always wished I had gotten it, but was afraid mom could not do the steps, I am so excited that Gary & I managed to work out a deal to get it. Right now the weather for thursday is supposed to be SUNNY, so hopefull we can get some good exterior pics of it all cleaned up. The inside is spotless, still has the tags on the sofa & chair and we also got the Sunline binder with it. Gary made this a reality for us.
Kitty
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12-13-2009, 09:19 AM
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WOW! That's one nice looking rig!
Congrats! Moving to a 5'er is definately something I would love to do.
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12-13-2009, 09:27 AM
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Ok I am happy for the both of you but it is soon time for some therapy I am really starting to worry here 17 sunlines!! thats awsome!! congrads !! I just kidding about the therapy lol!! glad you got what you wanted happy camping Dan
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12-13-2009, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by EMD_Driver
I totally forgot about the bed-plug wire...
Mike picked up on it a little too quick!
Gary
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H'mm I saw that plug too but could not figure out what it went to. It "looked" like it was plugged into the 5 wire flat plug. Is it? And if so how do you get the brake wire up to the 5'er?
I don't know if Kitty’s F350 has this or not. Mine came with a gooseneck hitch in the bed already. It was a B & W added by the prior owner. There is a separate 7 wire receptacle in the bed liner already to plug the gooseneck trailer into. I wonder if Ford has a 7 wire ready harness buried underneath in the fender to allow that plug to just be added.
What 5th wheel hitch did you get or going to get? Do you need a slider?
John
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12-13-2009, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by kanyonkitty
Well, the waiting 'til thursday is gonna be tuff, but I have a lot of stuff to pack out of the 320. BUT, no where as much as I had in the 2499. John would be proud of me as I have REALLY kept the storage compartments quite empty. I also had weighed EVERY thing that went into each compartment. I think that process will be redone in spring on a warm day though so I know exactly what will be in Sunny 17. I have "visited" this Sunline at least 2 X's a year since I got the 2499, and had always wished I had gotten it, but was afraid mom could not do the steps, I am so excited that Gary & I managed to work out a deal to get it. Right now the weather for thursday is supposed to be SUNNY, so hopefull we can get some good exterior pics of it all cleaned up. The inside is spotless, still has the tags on the sofa & chair and we also got the Sunline binder with it. Gary made this a reality for us.
Kitty
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Kitty, Cindy just saw the pics. She says it is very nice. Also noticed it is built similar to your T320SR, at least the sink/stove layout.
We are always proud of you… and glad this worked out for you. Was the coach ever titled? The inside looks great and the tags and the bed plastic seem to point to very little use.
Well you have your rear picture window back. And storage… Looking at the 03 brochure, it is a 12,500# GVWR camper with a 9,280# dray weight. That is 3,220# cargo capacity. A 60 gal fresh tank filled is 498# so that still leaves 2,722# of “stuff” to be able to put in. That’s a lot of stuff…. Even enough room for tools….
Your pin weight, I’ll have to bring my force jack. We can measure it at Buttonwood. We did HappyCampers pin weight 2 years ago. As long as the pin weight is not over 25,000# I got ya covered… I’m probably pretty safe as the F350 bed would collapse at that weight first…
Enjoy your new camper. Sunline did a good job on that layout. Big enough and lower. Notice only 2 steps to go up to the bed room. The layout is actually similar to our T310SR.
John
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12-13-2009, 12:42 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnB
H'mm I saw that plug too but could not figure out what it went to. It "looked" like it was plugged into the 5 wire flat plug. Is it? And if so how do you get the brake wire up to the 5'er?
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John,
It's plugged into the factory 7 way outlet. All 7 wires were utilized.
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Originally Posted by JohnB
I don't know if Kitty’s F350 has this or not. Mine came with a gooseneck hitch in the bed already. It was a B & W added by the prior owner.
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Hers was not factory prepped for a gooseneck, nor did it have the outlet in the bed.
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Originally Posted by JohnB
There is a separate 7 wire receptacle in the bed liner already to plug the gooseneck trailer into. I wonder if Ford has a 7 wire ready harness buried underneath in the fender to allow that plug to just be added.
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We drilled a hole in the side of the bed, where there was a raised flat area and mounted the new 7 way outlet there. It is connected to the plug that you see in the picture. When it's not needed, it is put into the side of the receiver hitch tube. It is well protected there. I didn't want all those splices under the truck, since they would be more prone to corrosion. The existing wires are protected in a loom and undisturbed.
I put liberal amounts of dielectric grease on the exposed terminals, both in the outlets and the plugs.
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Originally Posted by JohnB
What 5th wheel hitch did you get or going to get? Do you need a slider?
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We bought a Reese 16,000lb slider hitch. Here's a couple pics...
"Designed for shortbed trucks to provide turning clearance and prevent damage to truck and trailer in tight places at low speeds. 11" travel fore & aft, Available in 15K and 16K models. Compatible with Reese base rails, Adjustable with trailer attached. Works with full size or mini trucks."
I asked around and was told that the double pivot hitch was the safest way to go. I could have gotten a 16,000lb single pivot head for a lot less money, but I need to keep Kitty happy!
It was installed Wednesday evening, with some help from my friends at DeHaven's trailer sales in Winchester, VA. They did all the measuring and drilling and I did all the under-the-truck mounting. The Reese instructions said to mount the hitch, with the kingpin 4" forward of the axle. It looked way too close to the cab for me, so we split the difference. It's mounted 2" forward of the axle now.
Gary
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12-13-2009, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnB
We are always proud of you… and glad this worked out for you. Was the coach ever titled? The inside looks great and the tags and the bed plastic seem to point to very little use.
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The salesman we are dealing with, is the same one that traded that unit in. He says that this was Chuck McNair's F-311SR. The inside is absolutely spotless, with the exception of a couple of spots in the center of the slide ceiling.
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Originally Posted by JohnB
Well you have your rear picture window back. And storage… Looking at the 03 brochure, it is a 12,500# GVWR camper with a 9,280# dray weight. That is 3,220# cargo capacity. A 60 gal fresh tank filled is 498# so that still leaves 2,722# of “stuff” to be able to put in. That’s a lot of stuff…. Even enough room for tools….
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John..... John.... John...... PLEASE don't give her any ideas!!! The only storage areas, are in the front of the lower section. The double door in the picture opens up to a full-width compartment. I want to partition part of it off and prep it for the generator. If I put it on the left side, it will be less than 4' from the converter.
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Originally Posted by JohnB
Your pin weight, I’ll have to bring my force jack. We can measure it at Buttonwood. We did HappyCampers pin weight 2 years ago. As long as the pin weight is not over 25,000# I got ya covered… I’m probably pretty safe as the F350 bed would collapse at that weight first…
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Would it look kinda like this???
According to the owner, the landing gear NEVER left the ground!
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Originally Posted by JohnB
Enjoy your new camper. Sunline did a good job on that layout. Big enough and lower. Notice only 2 steps to go up to the bed room. The layout is actually similar to our T310SR.
John
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Kitty has been waiting for this 5'er for 5 years and is finally going to have it! Notice that I didn't use the word "Patiently" in that sentence?
This is going to be a whole new learning experience for me.. After working on my old '78 Prowler, the T-2499, the T-320SR, the T-299SR and the 17-1/2SB, I know that I still have MUCH to learn about TT's.
Now I'll have hidden holding tanks to deal with... I think they are even heated... A full aluminum underbelly cover and several other 5th wheel specific things to learn. On another note... All the Sunline 5th wheels I've looked at, have had shock absorbers on them. I had been planning on putting shocks on the 320 in the spring....
Gary
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12-13-2009, 01:06 PM
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OK now I see it. The pic "tricked" me. The 5 wire flat plug is on the right, not the bottom. The angle of the pic showing the 7 wire door flap covered it up
Good luck with your hitch. Actually I think you will now have more room to turn around in the yard. About the same length of camper as the T320SR, but the pivot and wheels are in different spots. Plus you can turn sharper.
John
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12-13-2009, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnB
Good luck with your hitch. Actually I think you will now have more room to turn around in the yard. About the same length of camper as the T320SR, but the pivot and wheels are in different spots. Plus you can turn sharper.
John
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John,
Both the F311 and the T-320 are 33' long. I will measure and find out how much closer the axles are, to the truck. I'm curious to know this information. I know that the pivot point is quite a bit further forward.
Gary
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12-13-2009, 03:02 PM
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Congratulations! What a beauty!! Looking forward to seeing it at Buttonwood.
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12-13-2009, 03:09 PM
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We all know the risks involved of towing with not enough truck, but I never realized this was a risk of towing with too much truck!
I think now you've bottomed out, or is that topped out. What's left? Enjoy and have fun!
Henry
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12-13-2009, 04:56 PM
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That is one Christmas present that is going to be a tough act to follow!!!
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12-13-2009, 05:43 PM
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That is one Christmas present that is going to be a tough act to follow!!!
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This is our Christmas present to each other... For the next SEVERAL years!
Gary
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12-13-2009, 08:04 PM
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Gary and Kitty
Here are the pics of the table transport position we put ours in. We have gone thru several versions on how to do this.
Here is an early version. We no longer use this as the "thought" is the chair feet might hit the wall.
We have now switched to this method. This is the 4 chair in use method
This is the 2 chair method. When it is only Cindy and I most of the times we only take 2 chairs
Here is something else I did as it drove me nuts... I had to add a 3/4" thick strip to the wall side of the table leg. This levels out the table when the slide is out. Do not know if yours has this issue or not. The TT is true level but the slide floor is slightly down hill. Eating on a down hill table is something that just plain "bugs" me. So I fixed it.
Good luck and hope this helps
John
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12-13-2009, 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnB
Here is something else I did as it drove me nuts... I had to add a 3/4" thick strip to the wall side of the table leg. This levels out the table when the slide is out. Do not know if yours has this issue or not. The TT is true level but the slide floor is slightly down hill. Eating on a down hill table is something that just plain "bugs" me. So I fixed it.
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John,
The only thing I see "Wrong" with that fix/mod, is that you didn't use Sunline OEM maple wood on the table feet. Surely you have something in you arsenal now, that would better match the OEM wood..
Gary
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12-13-2009, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by EMD_Driver
The only thing I see "Wrong" with that fix/mod, is that you didn't use Sunline OEM maple wood on the table feet. Surely you have something in you arsenal now, that would better match the OEM wood..
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Actually I do have some clear maple. About 75 to 90 board feet of it. I was saving it what seems like forever up in the shed for the future camper projects like a table leaf extension and the future counter top rework. However it is now over 26 years old.... It is for sure dry... Bought it from the mill when I made my sons crib, cradle and dresser set. The grandkids now use the crib and dresser....
I hope a carbide blade will cut the stuff... sparks flew out of the saw when it was cutting it 26 years ago and it was still a level of green....
That foot however this summer was stained to match the rest of the table. It is the closest pine/maple look one can get... and it cut on the saw like butter….
John
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