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Old 02-18-2008, 11:57 AM   #21
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First, thanks for all the info
This was a reply from another post that i have in regards to removing the dinette booth, does this look like this would cause a problem?

removing the dinette would not be that hard, but I can tell you this the dinette helps to support your large slide out floor, I know this because my slide floor actually separated from my dinette and the partition between the sofa and dinette fixed it by installing angle gussets under the dinette seats, If you do decide to remove the dinette I recommend that you make something to put under the slide for when its in the closed position to help support the weight from bouncing while traveling, I made a support for mine used a piece of plywood and wrapped it with carpet, then put a sticker next to my slide out switch to remind me to remove the support before opening the slide. My 267 is almost identical to the 276 except for an extra foot in length.

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John,

Thanks for taking the time and effort to take the picture and post them.
You've provided some good information on how the slides work.

You make a good point about wiping off the bottom of the slide before retracting it.
I've never done that, but I think I'll start now.

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That's one of the things the rv tech told me when we did our PDI " Don't step on the edge of the slide floor when it is closed". With the slide floor raised up, putting to much weight on it could damage the floor. As for dirt on the bottom of the slide, I don't think that's anything to worry about. We've been through wind, rain, snow, and the bottom of our slide is still as clean as the day we bought it. If anything would end up on the bottom of the slide, it would most likely be spiders or bugs and they would probably be scrapped off as the slide comes in.
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John you said and your pics show the plastic underbelly wrap on the bottom of your slide, ours is an 05 and it does not have this,hmmm I wonder why they changed that.Also john it looks like your innner leading edge of your slide floor is cut square as opposed to mine that is cut on an angle.
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First, thanks for all the info
This was a reply from another post that i have in regards to removing the dinette booth, does this look like this would cause a problem?

removing the dinette would not be that hard, but I can tell you this the dinette helps to support your large slide out floor, I know this because my slide floor actually separated from my dinette and the partition between the sofa and dinette fixed it by installing angle gussets under the dinette seats, If you do decide to remove the dinette I recommend that you make something to put under the slide for when its in the closed position to help support the weight from bouncing while traveling, I made a support for mine used a piece of plywood and wrapped it with carpet, then put a sticker next to my slide out switch to remind me to remove the support before opening the slide. My 267 is almost identical to the 276 except for an extra foot in length.

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First off, you are welcome. No problem doing this if it helps. Us Sunliner'es stick together. Plus I learned some new thing I never knew.

Now to the response you got. H'mm he may be onto something or at least something to consider as I can see this happening.

Look at this one pic:


See the sort of triangle type shaped board at the end of the couch. It is connected to the wall and the floor. So it does act like a gusset holding up the side floor.

I really do not know if it is a MUST, but it adds something to the floor rigidity. Other manufactures do it this way but do not know what they may have added to compensate for it.

On the FR Sandpiper they have nothing in the middle. That couch is totally loose and just sits on the floor. I do not know if the lifting action is the same on that slide. It might use the rug as a slide bearing.


BUT, here are 2 Artic Fox models we looked at. There slide action was similar to Sunline where the slide was on a tilt outside. The couch was separate, The slide is one big rug area.



Here is another one


So what does all this mean? Good question.

Sunline just about screws everything together. You might be able to unscrew the booth and see what rigidity it adds. Then make a decision

Good luck and hope it helps.

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That's one of the things the rv tech told me when we did our PDI " Don't step on the edge of the slide floor when it is closed". With the slide floor raised up, putting to much weight on it could damage the floor.
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Thanks. My RV tech said the other thing. It won't hurt it, but I believe yours more.....

With our layout it is almost impossible to get to the fridge area during loading without putting 1 foot on the slide floor when it is in. I am going to make a rug covered support board to go under that one step spot. It is too spongy for me long term.

On the slide bottom, I have not had any issues yet. But we do a lot of winter camping and the sides of the camper get frost covered. Now that I realize what can happen, I will at least look for a while until I can convince myself it is not an issue.

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John you said and your pics show the plastic underbelly wrap on the bottom of your slide, ours is an 05 and it does not have this,hmmm I wonder why they changed that.Also john it looks like your innner leading edge of your slide floor is cut square as opposed to mine that is cut on an angle.
H’mm well maybe something has changed.

If yours does not have the black plastic stuff, mine is the same black membrane stuff used on the main bottom of the camper, what does your have on the bottom?

The inner edge on an angle? Good question. Mine is for sure square.

Sometime if you can pop a few pics. Curiosity has the best of me sometimes.

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my slide underside is just the osb painted black,I'm just wondering since you have the free standing dinette and I have the booth dinette if the slides are desinged slightly different because of not having any kind of support in the center,this might explain why your edge is cut sqaure and mine at an angle,maybe we are on to something here that may help hoffmavl.this all just has me curious because of the issues I had with my floor and why I suggested to hoffmavl to be careful about removing the dinette booths.I will definately get some photos of the angle cut edge,I will also take some pics of what I did to reinforce my floor when it seperated,I will also take a pic of the support I made for under the slide floor to support it from bouncing or if someone steps on the slide.
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That sort of triangle type shaped board at the end of your couch. Don’t you have a jackknife couch? If so that's acting as the support for the sofa I believe. It would be nice if we could talk to one of the employees that worked at Sunline this would clear things up real fast.
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That sort of triangle type shaped board at the end of your couch. Don’t you have a jackknife couch? If so that's acting as the support for the sofa I believe. It would be nice if we could talk to one of the employees that worked at Sunline this would clear things up real fast.
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Yes the triangle piece is part of the jackkife couch. However if it is attached to the wall and the floor, it "could" "maybe" aide in supporting the floor by association.

I never dug into how all that ties together "yet". Tonight I will go out, check and report back. Now, I'm curious...... As some day we may want to upgrade to an air bed/couch as well. The Jackkife couch does not sleep well on for an adult.... right now the 3 year old granddaughter is the only couch sleeper.

Yes the loss of being able to talk to Sunline direct hurts. I use to write them a letter, with pic, they would send back answers. The best after the sale customer service I have ever seen in industry. We buy a lot of machinery for work for $MM and do not get that good a service. And at Sunline we where only dealing with 4 or 5 figure dollars purchases.

There is a member Carl on the forum here that was in the engineering group. If you send him a private PM, he might shed some light on this if he still checks in.

Talk more later

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...... As some day we may want to upgrade to an air bed/couch as well.
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We have a friend that has an air bed/couch in their trailer. The 1st year they had it the air mattress got a leak from it being folded in the couch. Their trailer manufacturer replaced it for free, but now they’re not folding the air mattress in the couch, they’re storing it elsewhere.

So, if you get an air bed/couch, be careful when folding the air mattress in the couch or, like them, store the air mattress some other place.

Just a little bit of information I thought I would share with each of you.

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See if this helps the cause.

The large tri-angle shape is more for show then structural from the looks of this. Yes it goes high up the wall, but there is no attachment to the wall above about the 1 foot point. The top ~ 1 1 /2 feet is just resting against the wall.

There is lower structure and the structure board end panel does give a level of rigidity to the couch frame and some level if rigidity to the slide floor. Do not know if the rigidity is by design or a by product of just having the couch end support there.

See here in the pic’s

The couch end.


The structure board end view


A shot from the top showing no connection above the rug 2 x 4 frame work.


The 2 x 4 rug covered frame structure


A close up of the back inside. The only attachment to the wall is the short piece of 2 x 4.


And a complete shot with the couch down. Something with this jackknife couch is different then the one in my T2499. This T310 couch lays a lot flatter.


Hope this helps.

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So, if you get an air bed/couch, be careful when folding the air mattress in the couch or, like them, store the air mattress some other place.

Just a little bit of information I thought I would share with each of you.

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Hutch,

Thanks for the heads up.

We had 2 twin air mattresses in our PU. 2 of them made a perfect fit for the King bed. And when I deflated them I was very care full to not crease and fold them hard. For just the reason of creating a stress in the fold and a leak to soon come.

I can see stuffed in a couch how it could create a problem.

With my jackknife laying so flat in the T310, I was “thinking” if I added a flip up extension to make it come out further, then just add the air mattresses I have now or get full/queen one from the store and lay on top.

Haven’t fully figured this out yet and it is way down the upgrade list with so many other more needed ones first. Maybe next year….

Thanks again for the heads up.

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Seeing all these issues with the jack-knife couch makes me so glad we upgraded to the queen sofa bed
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ok here is a photo of my angle cut floor,and how the bottom is painted black and no underbelly,sorry for the quality of the pics but my camper is covered with no battery so the slide is in and no lights
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ok along the bottom of the dinette partition is where my floor seperated,but this was after I fixed it

here are the pieces of angle with screws going into the floor to reinforce the floor,this is under the dinette both
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here is an additional up right support I added

here is the support I put under slide now
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then the strap to pull the support out
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Thanks for posting the pic's. Yup yours is made different that's for sure. Something changed, why???

It looks like you have the 1/8” thick Luan board sides on the dinette. I have ½” thick structure board on the couch end. There may be something to that extra rigidity.

I'm going to do a rug lined board support like you have as well as I do not like the sogginess of this thing when it is in. And the Yellow handle is a good idea too. I have a roll of strapping, but it is blue, key is it sticks out like a sore thumb.

I have transit bars to remember to take out, so I'll add the pull out the board to the list as well. DW made a nice cross stitch craft thing to cover over the switch to remind us.

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I'm pretty sure that what happened to my floor is we have overhead cabinets above our sofa and dinette,we use them as our pantry and my wife always loads the food before going camping and even though I told her to not step on the slide I think she did,thus pulling the floor apart from the dinette booth,it's my fault for not making a support for under the slide sooner because I knew it was gonna become a problem,now with the support under there you can stand on the slide and it does not give at all.
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Hey John,

We were up at the trailer the other day and I checked our slide, its bottom and the angle it’s at when retracted.

The bottom of our slide is identical to the way rich2500 explained his.

At the front of the slide (located near the front of the trailer) I could only slide my hand (flat on the floor) between the rug and the bottom of the slide. I would guess that the slide floor is about a 1/2" off the rug at this point. On the other end of the slide (this end of the slide is located in the middle of the trailer over the wheels), I wasn't able to slide my and between the rug and the slide floor at all. But the slide floor wasn’t on the rug, maybe an 1/8” to a ¼” of clearance between floor and slide bottom.

It seems like the angle of our slide when retracted is very different than yours. I think the difference in clearance between our slide and rich2500's is that he has linoleum floor under his slide when retraced and we have carpet.

Just want to share this information with you.
I’m sure we’re going to have a lot to compare and talk about when we get together at the M&G.

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Ok here is an update on my project, I just got the cover off the unit tonight, and it looks just like it came off the assemble line clean and shiny. I'm going to start the demo this weekend; I'll have plenty of pic for everyone.

Plus I'm thinking of changing the layout of the bathroom, here is a sample pic.

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