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Old 07-13-2018, 09:12 AM   #1
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Hello I have a Springdale limited edition travel trailer I have notice that the bottom of the slide when pull in is not going in all the way it's about 1 inch out the top is flush on camper but bottom is not can I fix this by adjusting the stop or is this another problem I think I have the libbert system slide any help would be great I can send pics of it if it will help. Thank you have a God filled day
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Hi Tennessee,

If your camper has the Lippert rack and pinion drive slide, I may be able to help. It would look like this. This is a link to the LCI site with the electric rack and pinion system manual.

https://www.lci1.com/assets/content/...Out-Manual.pdf

What it sounds like is your system is out of time. Meaning the master rack (the one with the motor drive attached to it) is out of sync with the auxiliary rack (the other slide arm that is driven by a square shaft off the master rack)

We would need to know which slide arm is short in closing. The master rack or the auxiliary rack? Both can have the problem and the correction will be different for both in a detail way.

Before you adjust anything, it needs to be understood what the problem is. Many of the slide adjustments are not intuitive and sort of work backwards in thinking until one understands the system. Depending which stop you adjust, it may help one problem and create another as that stop setting was not really the main problem.

Please post a few pics of your slide system so we can see what you have and the problem. And which slide arm is short when coming in.

Also if one slide arm is short on the way in, the two end walls of the slide may not be in the correct settings on the way out. Look inside the camper and see if the wall flanges are seated to the camper wall the same on both ends of the slide when it is out. One may be over tight and the other very loose. Need to know this too and which is tight and which is not. It is not impossible to have excessive wear in the system to only have a retract problem without a deploy or extend out problem at the same time. But many times a retract problem comes with an extend problem too. Several things to look at and once all is known, then make an adjustment or fix the worn parts.

If yours is a LCI rack and pinion, it would look like this

This is the auxiliary drive arm. The square shaft runs the slide arm in and out.


This is the master rack, it had an ACME screw drive and a motor moving the slide arm in and out. It also drives the square shaft that connects to the auxiliary slide arm.

The motor drive


The end of the master rack showing the stop can system.




Hope this helps

John
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Hi Tennessee,

If your camper has the Lippert rack and pinion drive slide, I may be able to help. It would look like this. This is a link to the LCI site with the electric rack and pinion system manual.

https://www.lci1.com/assets/content/...Out-Manual.pdf

What it sounds like is your system is out of time. Meaning the master rack (the one with the motor drive attached to it) is out of sync with the auxiliary rack (the other slide arm that is driven by a square shaft off the master rack)

We would need to know which slide arm is short in closing. The master rack or the auxiliary rack? Both can have the problem and the correction will be different for both in a detail way.

Before you adjust anything, it needs to be understood what the problem is. Many of the slide adjustments are not intuitive and sort of work backwards in thinking until one understands the system. Depending which stop you adjust, it may help one problem and create another as that stop setting was not really the main problem.

Please post a few pics of your slide system so we can see what you have and the problem. And which slide arm is short when coming in.

Also if one slide arm is short on the way in, the two end walls of the slide may not be in the correct settings on the way out. Look inside the camper and see if the wall flanges are seated to the camper wall the same on both ends of the slide when it is out. One may be over tight and the other very loose. Need to know this too and which is tight and which is not. It is not impossible to have excessive wear in the system to only have a retract problem without a deploy or extend out problem at the same time. But many times a retract problem comes with an extend problem too. Several things to look at and once all is known, then make an adjustment or fix the worn parts.

If yours is a LCI rack and pinion, it would look like this

This is the auxiliary drive arm. The square shaft runs the slide arm in and out.


This is the master rack, it had an ACME screw drive and a motor moving the slide arm in and out. It also drives the square shaft that connects to the auxiliary slide arm.

The motor drive


The end of the master rack showing the stop can system.




Hope this helps

John
Hello John and thank you for the help here are some pics I only had camper for 1 year I really never pay any attention if it has been that way since I got it out first with slide we enjoy the slide so like to keep it working correct
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Hi,

OK good. These pics are a great start. Yes, you do have the Lippert electric rack and pinnion drive slide system.

I cannot tell from the pics what direction is the front or back of the camper. But I can see the tires are on one end of the slide. So I will refer to the tire location.

Confirm this for me.

This pic


Is this the end by the tires that is not closing all the way? and by the way, is this the front of the slide or the rear (back of camper) of the slide in relation to the tow ball? It looks like it may be, but need confirmed so we do not adjust the wrong end. This tire end of the slide has the auxiliary slide arm supporting it and is driven by a square shaft from the master rack slide arm.

These 2 pics shows the master rack slide arm. The master rack is "not" near the tire area.




If the tire end (auxiliary slide arm) is not closing and the non tire end (master rack slide arm) is closing, please confirm this before I type a bunch in the wrong direction.

Please also confirm, when your slide is fully retracted does the slide floor lift up off the camper floor? And when it goes all the way out, then the slide floor drops down and is almost flush with the main camper floor?

Would look something like this when fully retracted. Our camper slide full in


At the floor level, the bottom of the slide is above the carpet when fully retracted.




When the slide is fully out, the slide floor drops down and then becomes close to flush with the rest of the camper floor. This is called a "flush slide floor system"


Knowing if your slide has that flush floor slide setup and that the slide lifts up off the floor when retracted helps us understand better on the slide adjustments.

Also, go inside the camper when the slide is fully out. Feel/look at the slide flanges up against the camper wall. See if the gap on the slide flange is parallel to the wall?


You can see here that the bottom of the slide flanges are not firmly up against the wall. The gap is not parallel and the slide flanges are not tight top to bottom of the wall. Check both ends of the slide and tell me which are or are not closed up tight on the inside.

Hope this helps

Thanks

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Pics of the slide were took with me standing at the front of camper so you correct the auxiliary is the one next too tire and master is toward back of camper it looks like even gaps on both sides of the slide at the bottom I retracted the slide all the way out and it seem to have the same gap on the inside also at the bottom as far as the slide it seem to be right at floor level in or out on the slide so no I don't think it move up or down when I run it out or in it's slide in and out very easy so my problem can't be the stop because when I retracted it out to full it has the same gap on the inside at the bottom the side on the inside auxiliary side may be out a little more then the master side their a wall their so I have to just feel it's seem to be around 1 inch out at the bottom on both sides even when in or out on the slide.
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Pics of the slide were took with me standing at the front of camper so you correct the auxiliary is the one next too tire and master is toward back of camper

it looks like even gaps on both sides of the slide at the bottom

I retracted the slide all the way out and it seem to have the same gap on the inside also at the bottom

as far as the slide it seem to be right at floor level in or out on the slide so no I don't think it move up or down

when I run it out or in it's slide in and out very easy so my problem can't be the stop because when I retracted it out to full it has the same gap on the inside at the bottom the side on the inside auxiliary side

may be out a little more then the master side their a wall their so I have to just feel it's seem to be around 1 inch out at the bottom on both sides even when in or out on the slide.

OK this info helps.

It sounds like your slide is not made to pivot up off the carpet when the slide comes in. The slide room just slides sort of straight in and out at the same level. This is common on some brands. Understood. I needed to know that as if it did lift up off the carpet then we have to take that into consideration when adjusting anything.

You made this statement and I need to confirm we have this correct.

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it looks like even gaps on both sides of the slide at the bottom

I retracted the slide all the way out and it seem to have the same gap on the inside also at the bottom
Please confirm I have this right below.
  • When the slide room is extended full out, inside the camper there is about a 1" gap at the "bottom" of the slide flange to the wall on both the front and rear of the slide.
  • When the slide room is retracted full in, outside the camper there is about a 1" gap at the "bottom" of the slide flange to the wall on both the front and rear of the slide.

If this is what you have, then that helps eliminate a lot of things. This points to the full "in" stop being slightly out of adjustment and the full "out" stop being slightly out of adjustment. Those 2 directions have different adjustments. And they are global adjustments, meaning when adjusted both both ends of the slide will move the same amount.

Please confirm I have understood the problem correctly above before I get into how to adjust and what to look for.

Another need, what model year and model number is your Springdale? Depending on age of the camper, some parts do wear over time and I can tell you where to look if some parts are worn which can cause some of the problem.

Thanks and hope this helps

John
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