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Old 01-19-2013, 09:17 PM   #1
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Solaris Sunline 2499 Classic Wanted

We fell in love with a 2006 Solaris Sunline 2499 Classic.

What is the difference between the T 2499 and the M 2499?
What does the Classic mean?

I am a new camper and clueless. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Hi oldeagle, welcome to the forum!

We owned a 2499 and love it! As far as I know there is NO difference between T vs. M. I can tell you that the older 2499's had a full cabinet when you walk into the living room...I believe in 2006 they made it half height, which in my opinion made the area seem larger......we added a shelf for a TV, doors for cabinets in the bedroom and living room (a lot os wasted space behind the blank wall) and a drawer under the bed, which was great for dirty clothes....

We recently traded ours in (October) and bought a toyhauler (no not a Sunline - too small and no slide).

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Thanks Nanna and Poppy!

We are looking at a 2005 M or 2006 T Classic and we have no idea what the difference is.

Your pics are exactly what the units looked like.

Thank you for your response!

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Hi Mary and Ken,

Welcome to Sunline Owners Club. The T2499 is a very popular model camper. I have seen the M letter show up in the NADA guides but never really in any Sunline literature. The M or the T are the same basic floor plan from what I know. Sunline Fan who is our resident Sunline trivia guru may be able to add some the the M destination.

That 2499 floor plan I believe started in the 2003 model year. Was made in 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007. The floor plan is the same among all the years but there were model year differences. Meaning the entire line of Sunline Solaris campers had model year differences not just the 2499.

The 2003's had oak cabinets, in 2004 they changed to maple. Both are very nice. In 2004 they started doing a few upgrades across the entire camper line. Holding tanks became a little larger, the HW heater changed in an upgrade as Atwood changed the control system, the power converter was upgraded, a battery disconnect switch came to the front of the camper. These where not exclusive to the 2499 but all 2004 and up campers.

The entertainment system that Nana showed changed some were after 2004. Either 2005 or 2006.

We had a 2004 T2499 and loved it. I really hated parting with that camper, one does get attached to these things.... We found our T310SR which is the same floor plan but larger with a slide. We did not really need 2 campers so after enough procrastination we sold it and a fellow club member bought it.

Here are some pic's of our 2004.












The Classic term started showing up I think in the 2005 time frame. It was a marketing buss word, nothing physically changed that I know of.

There is one very unique attribute to the 2499, due to the rear living room layout there is not a lot of weight or storage in the back of the camper. When you load the camper with camping gear, pots, pans, cloths etc. the loaded tongue weight can rise quickly. This high tongue weight creates a very stable towing camper. However the side effect is the truck has to hold it up. The T2499 starts out with a 800# empty camper tongue weight with full propane tanks and a battery. Many Sunline Club Members have had 1,000# loaded tongue weights and some at 1,200#. We do have 1 club member to managed to keep his weight down to 800#, he had very little to no gear in the front cargo hole or bedroom. I was one of the 1,200# ers....

With a loaded tongue weight of 1,000# or higher this puts you in a higher capacity 1/2 ton pickup truck or a 3/4 ton SUV, van or pickup. I do not know what your truck is, just giving you a friendly heads up, that floor plan can have a loaded tongue weight in this area.

We are here to help you in any way we can in your pursuit of your Sunline.

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John,

We will be towing our hopefully new camper (if we find one) with a
F350 Ford.

I appreciate all the information. Nice pictures. Love the large back
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Oh Oldeagle....just thought of something, some of the newer 2006 & 2007 2499's had a tongue issue....I'll see if I can find the link to the lenghty thread here on SOC....

Bent front frame cross-member on '07 Solaris T-2499

we had a problem with the frame and had it fixed, cost was around 250.00....never head a problem with it after that!!!!
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John,

We will be towing our hopefully new camper (if we find one) with a
F350 Ford.

I appreciate all the information. Nice pictures. Love the large back
window
OK, if you are on the hunt for a truck, a F250 will work too. The F350 for sure no problem.

In case you want to see what a T2499 looks like hooked to a F350, see here.



When we used the T2499 all the time I had a 2500 Suburban which worked very well. The F350 came when we upgraded to the T310SR. We use to use the T2499 as a spare bed room with AC when we went to my wife's moms cottage on lake Erie. That pic was from that trip.

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M="model" used by NADA guides. They add "M-" to every single model they list regardless of brand.

T=Trailer, used to designate a Sunline travel trailer model vs. a C- for truck camper or F- for fifth wheel.

Even though John covered it, the Classic package was just a marketing thing. It was available back in the late '80s, but then it came up again for just 2006 and some preliminary 2007 models. 2006 Classic means it was like all the other Sunlines with cloth interiors, aluminum exteriors, etc. It contrasted a new option package called Ultra, which offered leather furniture, fiberglass exteriors, LED lighting, etc. The Ultra package didn't sell well though because most people buying travel trailers don't want to spend that much on all those luxuries.
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Mary and Ken,

I just thought of something you may not realize. I did not think of this until last night. For a fellow Sunline Club member and folks in search of their dream Sunline, I thought I should give you a heads up to have this taken care of before it becomes a big issue.

Are you looking at buying this T2499 from a dealer or a private party?

There is an issue with the model years you listed that is aggravated by the T2499 floor plan. Starting with the 2005 model years, Sunline went through a trailer frame upgrade across all the 7,000# GVWR campers. They increased the long main frame rails from 5" channel iron to a 6" wide I shape. The 6" main frame rail was an OK move as the wider beam is stronger length wise. They however also changed the A frame on the camper from a 5" channel iron shape to a 4" channel iron shape. The only reason I can think of was to save some weight. The 4" A frame change created a problem with heavy tongue weights when using a weight distribution (WD) hitch. The problem reared it's head the most on the T2499 due to the higher tongue weights.

The problem is when you make a turn, say a left turn, the right side WD bar loads up more and the left side unloads. This is a natural event if there is any type of slight road grade difference between the truck and the camper. It happens on all TT's using a WD hitch. The side rails of the A frame need to resist this force and not twist an excessive amount or have a main frame header that can handle the twist. The prior generation 5" channel iron frame was very stiff and would not twist under the loads of a heavy TT tongue. The 2005 4" channel A frame does not have a lot of resistance agasint twisting. As such the twisting A frame member under the heavier loads twists and the header has to take the twist. In this case the header has had issues were it buckled in the center from this twisting action. The problem left unchecked once bent can create a big problem.

The fix is to stop the twisting from affecting the header. Some members who have not had the header yet bent, only cost them ranging from $75 to $300 to have a support welded on the bottom. Heavy damage after the fact can be up over $1,000.

The problem is in all 2005, 2006 and some of the 2007 models. They found the fix in the 2007 model year. The 2003 and 2004 T2499's were on the 5" channel frame and the issue does not exist.

If you know what to look for, Ken can spot it. If it does not exist, great, then add the support and prevent the problem. If there is a slight bow in the header still get it fixed and reinforced. Even a large problem can be fixed and the beautiful camper that it is is once again a very good unit.

I myself being into these things would have no reservation buying one but I would check it out and if there is a bend in it, it is a point you can negotiate price from on a dealer, to fix it or drop the price. They may have no idea this problem even exists.

This thread has the details on it. Bent front frame cross-member on '07 Solaris T-2499

Clarkdc (Larry and Wendy) was the member who had the worst failure, partly due to the towing time until it was fixed. SOC has helped many members to go look and then take preventive action or action before it became really bad. Larry had his fixed and still is RV'ing around the country in his beautiful T2499 as is many others here.

I did want to scare you away by all this, again just being a friendly camper so you know and can take preventative action before a big problem can happen. The camper your looking at may not yet show the problem. Part of this is circumstance. If the folks never towed it much or they were in an area of primarily flat land, the problem would take longer to show up. Folks who live or camp in hilly areas have more bending and twisting in turns and it can show up quick.

Hope this helps and we are here to help more if needed.

Good luck

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JohnB and Sunshine Fan

Thank you so much for all your input. You have helped us out very much. It's nice to
know what to look for since we are newbees. We are going to look at a trailer from a private individual and one from a dealer. Let's keep our fingers crossed.

Thanks again!

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Old Eagle:
My husband & I have a 2006 Sunline T2499 that we must sell. We purchased it new in 2006 and it's only been towed less than 200 miles. We moved it to a campground in Lancaster County, PA and it's been there since. We cover it every winter and have maintained it. We are non-smokers, no pets, and no children - just hubby & me. My husband is not comfortable towing any longer and our campground has been sold to a corporation. If you send me your email address, I'll be glad to attach photos of it. We are asking $9,500 or best offer. You can email us at: caj620@verizon.net and we will send photo to your email address.
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Thank you

Chuck and Joy,

Thank you so much for your email regarding your 2499! We purchased a
2006 T286 today! We decided that the 2499 was possibly too small for
what we were going to do so decided to get a little bigger. Of course we
loved the quality of the Sunline so we decided to keep with Sunline and get a
slide. I hope we made a good decision!

Good luck in selling your 2499.

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Chuck and Joy,

Thank you so much for your email regarding your 2499! We purchased a
2006 T286 today! I hope we made a good decision!

Mary and Ken
Hi Mary and Ken,

Congrats on your new Sunline!!! The T286 is also a popular model. The front kitchen layout creates a lot a usable room. Your F350 is a good match to that camper.

Happy camping!

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Greetings, Mary & Ken:
We wish you much "Happy Camping" with your new Sunline. When you visit other travel trailers, you will be pleasantly pleased with the quality built into the Sunlines. Thanks for responding to our ad, and God Bless your many travels.
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I am a newbie here as we are still looking. We have had two pop-ups, and a Class B and now we are eyeing the 2499. I just need to sell the Class B before we can buy. Reading this thread was extremly helpful. Thank you!

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I just spotted a 2006 2499 on the Arlington RV (East Greenwich RI) website.
2006 Sunline Solaris 2499 Travel Trailer East Greenwich, RI Arlington RV

If you stop by there this Saturday it is the first of their 4 open house events. All units open to browse and FREE Clam Chowder and Clam Cakes.

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I am a newbie here as we are still looking. We have had two pop-ups, and a Class B and now we are eyeing the 2499. I just need to sell the Class B before we can buy. Reading this thread was extremly helpful. Thank you!

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Hi Ben,

Here is a 2004 T2499, only know of the add and not the condition of the camper. But I do know that 2004 camper well, ask away on any question on it.
http://www.sunlineclub.com/forums/f7...ist-15451.html

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If you stop by there this Saturday it is the first of their 4 open house events. All units open to browse and FREE Clam Chowder and Clam Cakes.
Well ****, the best we get around here is hot dogs, potato chips, and over buttered popcorn!
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Next Saturday is the Hot Dogs and Beans day. ... followed by Deli Sandwiches and the last Saturday is our favorite, Pizza.

I looked at the 2499 and was not impressed. It is listed as a 2006 and the sticker had a build date of May 2005. It looked "aged and worn" and even a big tear on the arm of the chair.
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