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Old 06-08-2019, 04:45 AM   #1
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Happy wife, happy life? Should I even consider moving up to this 2007 264sr?

It's 6:30 a.m. on a fine June Saturday morning at a Delaware campground and I'm sitting outside of our 2003 T-1950, pondering if I should buy this 2007 264sr that is being offered just a few miles up the road.

https://www.delmarvarvcenter.com/200...er-de-i2471618

https://www.delmarvarvcenter.com/200...er-de-i2471618

We've gone nearly 2,000 miles with the 1950 and I've got it just about the way that I want it after a lot of time, effort and expense. The only thing is, it's really difficult climbing out of the bed in the middle of the night to go to the restroom. This is not an infrequent occurrence and what seemed like an ideal floorplan is now showing some misgiving.

Given that, I've started looking through want ads at newer Sunlines to see what might work.

I went yesterday and took a first look at the 264 listed above. they want $10,000 for it but I'm sure that's negotiable.

The wife is very interested in the additional space that the slide room offers. Also the queen size walk around bed in the nose of the camper. she has only seen pictures so far but we are going back today to take a second look at it. From what I have been able to glean from posts on the forum about the 264sr, the 2007 is pretty much the apex of what Sunline built in that size range.

The camper is very clean on the inside and only missing a few odds and ends such as the sliding doors for the bedroom and the bar stools which are both pretty easily replaceable. The exterior is dent free as far as I can tell but the vinyl stripes are not in nearly as good shape as the ones on my 4 year older 1950. Conversely, both the front and rear Sunline decals are in excellent shape!

The tow vehicle will continue to be the 2005 Chevrolet suburban half ton model with the 5.3 l engine. I asked but they will not permit the Camper to be towed out on the road and road-tested. I will only be allowed to pull it around their fairly good sized lot.

Any thoughts or questions on this would really be appreciated.
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It's 6:30 a.m. on a fine June Saturday morning at a Delaware campground and I'm sitting outside of our 2003 T-1950, pondering if I should buy this 2007 264sr that is being offered just a few miles up the road.

https://www.delmarvarvcenter.com/200...er-de-i2471618

https://www.delmarvarvcenter.com/200...er-de-i2471618

We've gone nearly 2,000 miles with the 1950 and I've got it just about the way that I want it after a lot of time, effort and expense. The only thing is, it's really difficult climbing out of the bed in the middle of the night to go to the restroom. This is not an infrequent occurrence and what seemed like an ideal floorplan is now showing some misgiving.

Given that, I've started looking through want ads at newer Sunlines to see what might work.

I went yesterday and took a first look at the 264 listed above. they want $10,000 for it but I'm sure that's negotiable.

The wife is very interested in the additional space that the slide room offers. Also the queen size walk around bed in the nose of the camper. she has only seen pictures so far but we are going back today to take a second look at it. From what I have been able to glean from posts on the forum about the 264sr, the 2007 is pretty much the apex of what Sunline built in that size range.

The camper is very clean on the inside and only missing a few odds and ends such as the sliding doors for the bedroom and the bar stools which are both pretty easily replaceable. The exterior is dent free as far as I can tell but the vinyl stripes are not in nearly as good shape as the ones on my 4 year older 1950. Conversely, both the front and rear Sunline decals are in excellent shape!

The tow vehicle will continue to be the 2005 Chevrolet suburban half ton model with the 5.3 l engine. I asked but they will not permit the Camper to be towed out on the road and road-tested. I will only be allowed to pull it around their fairly good sized lot.

Any thoughts or questions on this would really be appreciated.
Your 1/2 ton Suburban is going to struggle to pull a 264SR.

I have an '07 276SR that I pulled for the first year with a Dodge 1500 Off-Road 4x4 with a 318 V8. This truck is an absolute bulldozer for pulling, but it struggled at roads speeds with the trailer. We knew going in this was the trailer we really wanted and we were going to get a bigger truck....and a year later we bought a 2500 Diesel........
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As a former owner of a 264SR I can tell you a 1/2 ton suburban isn't a good match.
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I don't think you will be happy trying to pull that trailer with your current tow vehicle. Trailer is over 6000 lbs empty.
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Hi Dig,

That is a nice camper.

Make sure you check the roof and ideally get a moisture meter. Even if there are no signs or smells inside the camper of a water infection. If you need help on the meter, see here or ask away. Moisture Meters For Inspecting a Camper Just because you may find some level of water infection, does not mean not to buy it. But it can mean you may be able to get it at a lower cost and deal with it yourself.

On the 1500 Suburban, that is not a good match. It really is just not going to work. The loaded TW of a T264SR will easily approach 1,200# when loaded. Even if you pack "light" to not a lot, it will be sitting at 1,000#. I have weighed several of them from a 2005 to 2007 and they all fall in that range once loaded.

If you want to stay in a Suburban with that camper, then a 2500 Suburban with either the 6.0 engine and the 4.10 rear axle or even better, the 8.1 engine with the 3.73 or 4.10 rear axle. The 2500 Burb can handle the 1,200 tongue weight with 2 adults and some gear (~300#) in the burb. Both of those will have to be a year 2000 through 2006. In 2007 they did a Suburban redesign and the bumper/receiver can only handle 1,000# in WD mode, even in the 2500 version. That GM redesign in 2007 along with Ford in 2005 with the Excursion, stopped making 2500 SUV's that could handle a 1,200# TW. They forced all camping folks with anything newer into a 2500 or larger tow vehicle of a van or PU truck.

They also have the older 2500 Avalanche that uses the same 2500 Suburban frame and drivetrain. BenB has a 2500 Avalanche with the 8.1 and the 3.73 RA to tow his 2005 T264SR and that match works well.

Crew cab 2500 or larger pickup trucks of any brand will work in most all cases. But still need to check. I use to be a GM 2500 Burb guy but then our camper got too big and heavy when the T310SR came.

Hope this helps

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Yeah. I was looking hard for a 3/4 ton pickup after the old truck died but I let it slip to SWMBO about a Suburban that I saw and that was the end of that! Couldn't find a 3/4 ton model at the time and this one had cap chairs, leather and factory ceiling DVD center. I don't think there's any going back to a pick-up, now. She's been spoiled by it.

I never thought I would be able to get anything larger than the 1950 due to the limited access to the parking pad in the back yard (the 264 would never make it back there and even if it did, turning it around would be a tough challenge) but we left the 1950 parked in front of the house all winter. I'm thinking of pouring a driveway, like I've always wanted, across the front and the 264 would fit easily, there.

I planned to go back with a ladder to check the roof and use a moisture meter but as I originally suspected and has now been confirmed in this thread, now is not the time to get a heavier unit.

Bummer.
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Okay, in an effort to see that all is not lost, I did some more digging though old slide room threads. I saw some recommendations from the forum that the T257SR was more compatible to half ton TV's. I went up into the brochures and came back with T-257SR 4930 dry /625 tongue / 7000 gross and 2070 max cargo.

Assuming that I keep the cargo to half that, does it sound doable? I'm just not ready to give up this current TV but she really liked the slide out space. I get that the 257 slide is only one piece of furniture but it sure looks roomier than a non slide unit.

I found this one that's pricey but it tells me that they are out there.

2007 Sunline SOLARIS Solaris 257SR

I guess these picture links will work until they take the ad down.





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That ad is obsolete. Those pictures are of the trailer I bought last year from the owner (for substantially less than that asking price). My wife really likes the layout. Even with the slide in, the rv is still fully functional and easily accessible front to back. I tow with a 2015 RAM 1500 QC with 5.7L Hemi, 3.21 rears, and 8 speed transmission. Even though it is a smaller slide (which I prefer anyway), the extra space makes a lot of difference.
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I thought it looked familiar. Good info, thanks!
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I saw some recommendations from the forum that the T257SR was more compatible to half ton TV's. I went up into the brochures and came back with T-257SR 4930 dry /625 tongue / 7000 gross and 2070 max cargo.

Assuming that I keep the cargo to half that, does it sound doable? I'm just not ready to give up this current TV but she really liked the slide out space. I get that the 257 slide is only one piece of furniture but it sure looks roomier than a non slide unit.
Hi Dig,

Trying to help here explain some of what you are up against with your 1500 Suburban. While yes, it is a 1/2 ton SUV, be careful in understanding the infamous "1/2 ton towing" talk.

What is the rear axle ratio in your 2005 Burb? the 3.73?

As to pulling, when I started out Sunline TT towing, I had a 2002, 1500 Tahoe. Odds are high it had the same 5.3 V8 and the 3.73 rear axle ratio as yours may be. We bought a brand new 2004 T2499 (a 7,000# GVWR camper) that weighed empty in the 5,000# area with LP gas, battery and added options that came with it.

In my case, pulling was not the problem, it pulled it OK, (sucked fuel but they all do). The issue was the rear axle capacity on the Tahoe and the
GVWR of the Tahoe. Lucky me we picked one of the highest tongue weight floor plans Sunline made when loaded. It is not the only one, but one of the heaviest. The dry TW was just under 800# before I ever put anything in it. And it for sure went up from there. 1,200# actually and 1,400 # if I hauled fresh water.

Your Suburban mimics the Tahoe as far as drive train and GVWR. But the Suburban being longer, weighs more to start with.

If you really want to know what size Sunline you can tow and stay with that truck, we can back into that.

Need the door sticker axle ratings, the rear axle ratio, and actual scaled weights of the front and rear axle on the truck with all passengers who will go camping along with the bare minimum must have items in the truck along with a full tank of gas. A scale weighing at a truck stop is usually under $10. If you provide them, I can help you see how it calculates out to what it can handle and be at or under your trucks ratings. If yours has the 3rd rear seat and you do not use it, take it out. It will save you about 75#.

Point being, I have done this enough with others on the year 2000 to 2006 1500 Suburbans that with all the must have things in the truck, what is left over on rear axle capacity and the GVWR may only be in the 700 to maybe 800 # range. That means the "loaded" camper needs to have loaded TW of 700 to 800 # or less.

The full size longer 1500 SUV will never be able to tow as much as a properly equipped 1500 pick up truck. The 2 trucks are made different. All those SUV creature comforts add weight. The PU has no rear glass or permanent roof cap on the back, it has larger rear axle capacity most times and the whole truck is lighter than the SUV.

In my case on the T2499, after realizing I messed up, I learned where to look in the fine print of all the ratings. Even my own Chevy dealer who sold me the Tahoe told me it would tow that camper fine. He said that when I was trading it for a 2500 Suburban and he did not have one on his lot. Yes, it could pull it, but it can't hold up the loaded tongue weight and be inside the truck ratings.

The T-257SR you are looking at, if I recall right the TW is about 750 maybe 800# with only the LP gas, battery and then some minor gear. I had thought I weighed Jim's (j52wf) T-257SR TW but I cannot recall the number. It was in that range. I see he is on this post, maybe he recalls.

A thought to consider, the crew cabs in some of the pickup trucks can come close to what your 2005 Burb has as far a creature comforts. The biggest shift will be how to pack gear under a tono cover or open truck bed verses the enclosed Burb cargo area. That said, be careful on the 1500 crew cabs as some brands and models eat up a lot of towing and TW holding ability with all those extras. This is where the 2500 crew cab can get you out of most situations towing campers.

Hope this helps

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Unfortunately, we did not weigh the tongue on my 257sr when JohnB was here. We got busy setting up the WDH and going over the frame issues that were noticed. The Sunline brochure in the files section lists tongue weight on the 257sr as 650 lbs., which is on the lighter side due to rear kitchen and smaller slide being almost centered on the trailer axels. The next side up sr model has a tongue weight more than 100 lbs. heavier. It has a much bigger slide with more weight in front of the axles. The main issue with my RAM half ton is payload due to coil springs. It has the lowest payload of half tons at 1900lbs. In contrast, Ford F-150 is, I believe, around 3000 lbs. But it's a Ford. Lol.
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Ive exceeded the capacity of a half ton towing a t-1950, easy enough to do.


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Hi Dig,

Trying to help here explain some of what you are up against with your 1500 Suburban. While yes, it is a 1/2 ton SUV, be careful in understanding the infamous "1/2 ton towing" talk.

What is the rear axle ratio in your 2005 Burb? the 3.73?

As to pulling, when I started out Sunline TT towing, I had a 2002, 1500 Tahoe. Odds are high it had the same 5.3 V8 and the 3.73 rear axle ratio as yours may be. We bought a brand new 2004 T2499 (a 7,000# GVWR camper) that weighed empty in the 5,000# area with LP gas, battery and added options that came with it.

In my case, pulling was not the problem, it pulled it OK, (sucked fuel but they all do). The issue was the rear axle capacity on the Tahoe and the
GVWR of the Tahoe. Lucky me we picked one of the highest tongue weight floor plans Sunline made when loaded. It is not the only one, but one of the heaviest. The dry TW was just under 800# before I ever put anything in it. And it for sure went up from there. 1,200# actually and 1,400 # if I hauled fresh water.

Your Suburban mimics the Tahoe as far as drive train and GVWR. But the Suburban being longer, weighs more to start with.

If you really want to know what size Sunline you can tow and stay with that truck, we can back into that.

Need the door sticker axle ratings, the rear axle ratio, and actual scaled weights of the front and rear axle on the truck with all passengers who will go camping along with the bare minimum must have items in the truck along with a full tank of gas. A scale weighing at a truck stop is usually under $10. If you provide them, I can help you see how it calculates out to what it can handle and be at or under your trucks ratings. If yours has the 3rd rear seat and you do not use it, take it out. It will save you about 75#.

Point being, I have done this enough with others on the year 2000 to 2006 1500 Suburbans that with all the must have things in the truck, what is left over on rear axle capacity and the GVWR may only be in the 700 to maybe 800 # range. That means the "loaded" camper needs to have loaded TW of 700 to 800 # or less.

The full size longer 1500 SUV will never be able to tow as much as a properly equipped 1500 pick up truck. The 2 trucks are made different. All those SUV creature comforts add weight. The PU has no rear glass or permanent roof cap on the back, it has larger rear axle capacity most times and the whole truck is lighter than the SUV.

In my case on the T2499, after realizing I messed up, I learned where to look in the fine print of all the ratings. Even my own Chevy dealer who sold me the Tahoe told me it would tow that camper fine. He said that when I was trading it for a 2500 Suburban and he did not have one on his lot. Yes, it could pull it, but it can't hold up the loaded tongue weight and be inside the truck ratings.

The T-257SR you are looking at, if I recall right the TW is about 750 maybe 800# with only the LP gas, battery and then some minor gear. I had thought I weighed Jim's (j52wf) T-257SR TW but I cannot recall the number. It was in that range. I see he is on this post, maybe he recalls.

A thought to consider, the crew cabs in some of the pickup trucks can come close to what your 2005 Burb has as far a creature comforts. The biggest shift will be how to pack gear under a tono cover or open truck bed verses the enclosed Burb cargo area. That said, be careful on the 1500 crew cabs as some brands and models eat up a lot of towing and TW holding ability with all those extras. This is where the 2500 crew cab can get you out of most situations towing campers.

Hope this helps

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Trailer Life Magazine has a booklet of all vehicle Tow Ratings published each year. Maybe it can be found online or maybe your Library has a subscription to Trailer Life and will have a hard copy.
We have Sunline 2007 2753 (no slides) and tow with 2003 Suburban 1500. Does fine.
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ps NADA has a Trailer booklet - like the car one - that will value your potential 264sr
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