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Old 02-13-2019, 10:29 AM   #1
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towing without weight distribution...

We are buying a F250, mainly because on our long trips a 1/2 ton doesn't have the margin we would like for payload (tow capacity is fine, but our actual payload is very high when you combine tongue weight, a cap, passengers and gear in the bed).

Anyway, on the F250s these days the weight carrying and weight distribution ratings for towing are the same (12,500 for what we are looking at).

I've read the manual and discussion of weight distribution is very limited, obviously it can be used, but is it needed? There is no guidance I've found. Trailer is max 5500 loaded and we would be running with 2000 pounds in the vehicle. Is weight distribution going to be helpful? Obviously I can wait and see (and I'm all set up with weight distribution), but does anyone have any thoughts or has dealt with this (lighter trailer/heavy truck)? Just looking for thoughts or leads, I can research more as the time comes.
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Old 02-13-2019, 12:16 PM   #2
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I guess it would depend on how much the trailer weighs down the truck (i.e., how much does the rear of the truck drop when trailer is hooked up)

I'm guessing your trailer's tongue weight is around 650# - 700#.

Weight distribution is helpful for transferring weight to the front tires and avoiding a nose high situation with the truck. Though with a light trailer like your's you bring up a good point, will that occur. If the truck dropped at all when hooked up to the trailer I, personally would use the WD setup.

Other things to consider is that the rear / receiver on the F250 will probably be high that your current tow vehicle. So you'll have to make adjustments to the ball position (i.e., lower it) so the trailer stays close to level when hitched to the F250. That is you want to avoid a nose high trailer position when hooked to the truck.

IMO if you have the WD setup, why not use it?

If I were in your situation and had the WD setup with sway control, I would use it.

Just my $0.02.

Curious to see what others think.
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Old 02-13-2019, 12:25 PM   #3
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I guess it would depend on how much the trailer weighs down the truck (i.e., how much does the rear of the truck drop when trailer is hooked up)

I'm guessing your trailer's tongue weight is around 650# - 700#.

Weight distribution is helpful for transferring weight to the front tires and avoiding a nose high situation with the truck. Though with a light trailer like your's you bring up a good point, will that occur. If the truck dropped at all when hooked up to the trailer I, personally would use the WD setup.

Other things to consider is that the rear / receiver on the F250 will probably be high that your current tow vehicle. So you'll have to make adjustments to the ball position (i.e., lower it) so the trailer stays close to level when hitched to the F250. That is you want to avoid a nose high trailer position when hooked to the truck.

IMO if you have the WD setup, why not use it?

If I were in your situation and had the WD setup with sway control, I would use it.

Just my $0.02.

Curious to see what others think.
Tongue weight is 550 when road ready. Absolutely will have to change ball height, the Tundra has one of the lowest hitch heights and the F250 is pretty high .

Our WD is a good one in the reese dual cam and I had not even considered sway. Good point - thanks. I have never had sway issues because I've always had anti-sway, so that is a good reason.

One reason I like the idea of no WD is because the WD accentuates rough road a lot (washboard on dirt, frost heaves on the ALCAN, etc...). I feel like the WD when really clamped down puts undue strain on the truck adn camper under those conditions. I used to get out and drop a link from the bars under those conditions to soften the ride, but I've gotten lazy. The Tundra needed the WD for sure. Running with no WD under rough conditions would be great, so I can probably just do that without awful sag and then put the bars on for the highway.

Thanks for the thoughts... Anyone else, fire away...
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Old 02-13-2019, 03:49 PM   #4
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You make some good points.

On rough roads, you're not traveling as fast and if you're setup rides better without the WD, then IMO you'll be ok without it, as long as you're not experience too much drop on the truck when trailer is attached. At 550# tongue weight, I double you'll get much drop from the F250, but it's always good to check it to confirm. Take some measurements at the front wheel well and rear wheel well (i.e., from ground to wheel well at center of the tire) before and after trailer is hooked up without WD to see what the impact is.

JohnB will probably give more specifics, but I'm guessing if you're only seeing a 1/2" difference between unhooked and hooked, there shouldn't be a problem.

Thought when driving good roads or highway were you're doing the speed limit (e.g., 55; 60mph, etc.), I would definitely use the reese dual cam, just from a safety perspective.
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You will know if you need or want WD after a few pulls if not immediately after hitching up.
I had a 1ton van and never noticed a difference with or without bars.
Towing with excursion (1ton rear spring swap) I can feel a difference without WD.
It's not really nose high without them but the front does seem to bob up & down more.
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Hi Tod,

I may be able to help but need a little more info.

What year F250 are you looking at?

Is is the gas or diesel?

What is the wheelbase? Is it crew cab, short bed etc or other?

Any idea on the added bed weight when towing? Include the truck cap weight too if you plan on using one.

By any change, do you know if that F250 comes with the 2 stage rear springs? 2 stage meaning there are helper springs (overload springs) that will touch a frame bracket when the bed load gets high enough. Some F250's have them, some don't. Ford has so many spring packages, trying to see which ones you are looking at.

The Reese DC, is it a trunnion bar hitch or the round bar hitch?

What rating size WD bars do you have?

I'm assuming you have a Reese brand hitch head and WD bars? Yes or no? Reese use to offer a DC kit with WD bar adapters to go on other brands of WD hitches. I'm trying to make sure I know which actual WD hitch you have.

With those answers, I should be able to give you some towing experience feeling in the truck and thoughts to think through based on some similar setups with and without WD on Fords and GM's 3/4 and 1 ton trucks.

Thanks

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Hi John, we are going to order a 2019 F250, 4x4, Crew, 6.75' box, with the 6.2L gas (and 3.73 rear). Wheelbase is 160". Color is undecided .

We typically have roughly 2K on the truck for a long trip (550# on the tongue, 200# cap (topper), 1400 pounds passengers and gear). This varies wildly, many trips the 1400 would be 1/2 that.

I've not been paying attention to helper springs on the trucks, I *think* they have them. I've seen lots of helper springs on the lot when we were looking at them, but I could be noticing diesels or F350s.. Not very helpful, I know. I'll know in a couple months for sure.

Our Reese DC is all stock Reese with 800# trunnion bars.

Thanks for thinking through this.



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Hi Tod,

I may be able to help but need a little more info.

What year F250 are you looking at?

Is is the gas or diesel?

What is the wheelbase? Is it crew cab, short bed etc or other?

Any idea on the added bed weight when towing? Include the truck cap weight too if you plan on using one.

By any change, do you know if that F250 comes with the 2 stage rear springs? 2 stage meaning there are helper springs (overload springs) that will touch a frame bracket when the bed load gets high enough. Some F250's have them, some don't. Ford has so many spring packages, trying to see which ones you are looking at.

The Reese DC, is it a trunnion bar hitch or the round bar hitch?

What rating size WD bars do you have?

I'm assuming you have a Reese brand hitch head and WD bars? Yes or no? Reese use to offer a DC kit with WD bar adapters to go on other brands of WD hitches. I'm trying to make sure I know which actual WD hitch you have.

With those answers, I should be able to give you some towing experience feeling in the truck and thoughts to think through based on some similar setups with and without WD on Fords and GM's 3/4 and 1 ton trucks.

Thanks

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You will know if you need or want WD after a few pulls if not immediately after hitching up.
I had a 1ton van and never noticed a difference with or without bars.
Towing with excursion (1ton rear spring swap) I can feel a difference without WD.
It's not really nose high without them but the front does seem to bob up & down more.
Just wait and see is a good enough approach. The experience you shared is valuable, so thanks! WD is easy enough to deploy.
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