towing without weight distribution...

[Tod Osier]

Originally Posted by JohnB

AH good. Thanks for reporting back on this as that gas engine and 4.30 drivetrain was at least on the list of replacement tow vehicles when the time comes.

From what I’ve read, there is a second, larger, gas engine coming out later this year.

[JohnB]

Originally Posted by Tod Osier

From what I’ve read, there is a second, larger, gas engine coming out later this year.

H'mm, wonder what's up with this?

They must be trying to get the gas engine option to line up with the current diesel for pull ratings.

On the 2019 F350 SRW

The 6.2 V8 gasser tops out at 23,000 GCWR with a 4.30 rear axle

The 6.7 V8 diesel tops out at 28,700 GCWR with a 3.55 rear axle

The F250 is not rated that high even with the same engine/axle combo.

And the F350 DRW is even rated higher.

The 6.7 V8 diesel allows 36,000 GCWR with the 3.55 rear axle
The 6.7 V8 diesel allows 40,000 GCWR with the 4.10 rear axle.

Even thinking about 36,000# GCWR on a 1 ton truck is sort of mind boggling. I'm assuming soon, a CDL license will be needed to drive it. I had thought 25,000# was the limit that pushed a CDL.

I will say this, regardless of brand, I'm not buying a new design year model from anyone... Let them get the bugs worked out of it first.

[Tod Osier]

Originally Posted by JohnB

H'mm, wonder what's up with this?

They must be trying to get the gas engine option to line up with the current diesel for pull ratings.

On the 2019 F350 SRW

The 6.2 V8 gasser tops out at 23,000 GCWR with a 4.30 rear axle

The 6.7 V8 diesel tops out at 28,700 GCWR with a 3.55 rear axle

The F250 is not rated that high even with the same engine/axle combo.

And the F350 DRW is even rated higher.

The 6.7 V8 diesel allows 36,000 GCWR with the 3.55 rear axle
The 6.7 V8 diesel allows 40,000 GCWR with the 4.10 rear axle.

Even thinking about 36,000# GCWR on a 1 ton truck is sort of mind boggling. I'm assuming soon, a CDL license will be needed to drive it. I had thought 25,000# was the limit that pushed a CDL.

I will say this, regardless of brand, I'm not buying a new design year model from anyone... Let them get the bugs worked out of it first.

I saw a fair bit mentioned as I've been researching, but didn't pay attention because like you, I'm not buying something in its introduction year. I just did a real quick search now to satisfy my curiosity and it looks like the 6.2 is going away for a 7.3.

[JohnB]

Originally Posted by Tod Osier

I saw a fair bit mentioned as I've been researching, but didn't pay attention because like you, I'm not buying something in its introduction year. I just did a real quick search now to satisfy my curiosity and it looks like the 6.2 is going away for a 7.3.

The odd thing is, why do away with the 6.2? From what I have heard it is proven engine and every one may not need a monster pull rating.

They stopped putting the 6.8 V10 in the F250/350 for the 6.2 seemingly for fuel savings. Now they are looking at a 7.3?? and no 6.2? I think the towing wars between the big 3 automakers might just be getting a little out of hand.

At this point, I'm just going to keep my truck, deal with the frame rust and keep on going. It fills all my needs other then she has a drink'in problem.

Curious to see how this all plays out in the next few years.

[Tod Osier]

Plow prep package is the only option I'm not sure on for the order. It is inexpensive, but also upgrades front springs, which results in rougher ride.

Thoughts? I'd opt without since I don't need it and I'm buying for myself. I understand it may impact resale, but I can't imagine much.

[JohnB]

I think it sort depends.

There are a lot of 3/4 ton trucks on the market without snow plows. When I was looking for my truck, the 3/4 ton used trucks were worth more and had more available then 1 ton SRW's. Regardless Ford or Chevy. In my case, for my payload needs and pull rating, the only 3/4 ton that fit was a GMC/Chevy 2500 HD with the 8.1 with a 4.10 rear axle, crew cab short bed. Used, they are scarce as hens teeth. And GM back then did not offer a crew cab short bed in 1 ton SRW truck.

Lots of folks are after a 3/4 ton truck. They may get abused with weight more, but they are very much sought after.

In my case, having a snow plow prep was not even a factor. And for sure, no way did I want to buy a used plow truck as a long life camper tow vehicle. Most actual plow trucks are beat, not to mention salt rot.

My 2 cents, if you do not want the snow plow prep, save the money. Odds are high you will have this truck a good amount of time. And dealing with a harsher ride all that time for something you will never use, is hard to justify on just resale.

Hope this helps

John

[Tod Osier]

For sure it helps.

One of the sales guys has me a little nervous about resale last minute in the process. To make the point, he wants an extra thousand down payment if I order without the plow package because he says if I walk before taking delivery he will have a hard time moving it. That is obviously a new truck on the lot and a different issue from used. I've read that lots of guys plow with 3/4 tons without plow prep.

I'll go with my gut and buy the perfect truck for my use for the next several years. No plow prep.

Originally Posted by JohnB

I think it sort depends.

There are a lot of 3/4 ton trucks on the market without snow plows. When I was looking for my truck, the 3/4 ton used trucks were worth more and had more available then 1 ton SRW's. Regardless Ford or Chevy. In my case, for my payload needs and pull rating, the only 3/4 ton that fit was a GMC/Chevy 2500 HD with the 8.1 with a 4.10 rear axle, crew cab short bed. Used, they are scarce as hens teeth. And GM back then did not offer a crew cab short bed in 1 ton SRW truck.

Lots of folks are after a 3/4 ton truck. They may get abused with weight more, but they are very much sought after.

In my case, having a snow plow prep was not even a factor. And for sure, no way did I want to buy a used plow truck as a long life camper tow vehicle. Most actual plow trucks are beat, not to mention salt rot.

My 2 cents, if you do not want the snow plow prep, save the money. Odds are high you will have this truck a good amount of time. And dealing with a harsher ride all that time for something you will never use, is hard to justify on just resale.

Hope this helps

John

[JohnB]

Originally Posted by Tod Osier

For sure it helps.

One of the sales guys has me a little nervous about resale last minute in the process. To make the point, he wants an extra thousand down payment if I order without the plow package because he says if I walk before taking delivery he will have a hard time moving it.

You gotta be kidding?

So every F250 on his lot has a snow plow prep on it?

He has a buyer lined up ready to order a truck and wait until it comes in. He thinks your gonna walk? I know it sometimes happens, but if that is all the faith he has in selling F250's, he has a few issues.

That aside, good luck on your new ride. Remember, we like seeing pics!

[Tod Osier]

On the plow prep, we were looking at XL and XLTs and every one we looked at on the lot or downloaded the window sticker had plow prep. Might be the lower trim lines we were looking at, but it was 100% that I can think of. That is one of the reasons we decided to build one. It isn't any skin off the dealers back if they aren't the ones paying for the options, they pass it on. They add plow prep ($185), clearance lights (95), upfitter switches (165) to seemingly every truck.

Anyway, since I'm talking about my experience... I was excited to use the build your own feature and they have a price it out option where it seemingly sends out what you built to local dealers. The 2 sales guys I worked with both wanted just a print out, not the electronic shared copy. Both (or their manager that ran the quote) made mistakes with options. One had the wrong bed and didn't add 2 options. The other added plow prep and lights and forgot the alternator upgrade. I tried the electronic quote to a couple other places near by and it was all screwed up. The one guy that found what I had built could only could find a version from a couple weeks ago, so I had to update what I wanted. Nice idea, poor execution.

I know some of it is managed or planned chaos to keep the buyer on edge, but for someone who is counting every option it is really annoying. Things like the ford build your own website had base price that does not include 4x4 (a $2800 option) and it isn't a line item option (if you add options and base price lines there is $2800 missing), but the dealer worksheet does include 4x4 in the base price. So it ends up to figure out you have to find the price difference and figure out what option matched up. Hate that stuff, but at least there are options.

Anyway, getting close, just need to get final prices and sign some stuff. I think the local guy we have been dealing with (and where we would do service) is ahead as far as price. I'd pay more to go there, but I need to be convinced I'm not getting screwed.

Pics in May - unless you want pics of marked up vehicle order sheets .

Originally Posted by JohnB

You gotta be kidding?

So every F250 on his lot has a snow plow prep on it?

He has a buyer lined up ready to order a truck and wait until it comes in. He thinks your gonna walk? I know it sometimes happens, but if that is all the faith he has in selling F250's, he has a few issues.

That aside, good luck on your new ride. Remember, we like seeing pics!

[JohnB]

Yeh, I know some about the "Build your own" on the web site. We bought a new, ordered, 2017 Ford Edge to replace my wifes 2003 Trailblazer. I did not want to pay for options that the dealer stock had on their lot and time we had to wait for a build up. So I came up with the build your own list and the price. The packages are not as individual as they used to be. I wanted nothing to do with a moon roof as we wanted a roof rack but to get the other things in the package, the moon roof came along with it. I even asked, I'll wait, just don't it put in? The dealer asked Ford (at least they told me they did) and they would not split the package. So we have the moonroof and no roof rack.

They also wanted us to buy the 19" wheel chrome upgrade as it "looks better". I was happy with the 18" chrome ones on it, no way was I going to spend $1,000 extra for something I don't care about as it looked fine to me. Not to mention buying new 19" tires compared to the bad enough 18's already.

I had to watch every option they picked and did not during the truck build sheet. It was easy for them to miss or have something I didn't want. You really have to watch that.

I just tried the 2019 F350 build your own for kicks to see what it would do. In my case it was the Lariat model. There was 2 sticking points for me. The biggest was the GVWR package. The F350SRW Lariat has a 10,000# GVWR and a 11,400# GVWR package. It seems at least on the website, when I pick the 11,400 package it kicks me into the diesel. From what I can see, I cannot get the upgraded cargo capacity I need with the gas engine. Not sure what that is all about as the 05 F350 I have now has a 11,000# GVWR with the gasser. Why get an F350 if you have the GVWR of a F250? Hoping this will not be the case or the dealer sheet can overcome when I go for one, as it will be a show stopper for me.

The other is the seat color versus the outside 2 tone paint. If I want 2 tone outside paint, you can only get black inside seats? Well we are not black seat folks. I may have to give up the 2 tone paint job. I would be ticked but not a show stopper.

Other than realistic sticker shock of what a PU costs new now a days, the rest was where I thought it would be.

[Tod Osier]

Truck is ordered. Thanks everyone for their input!

[JohnB]

Originally Posted by Tod Osier

Truck is ordered. Thanks everyone for their input!

Yeh!! Now to the anticipation of the big day!