Sunline RV Forum
Sunline User Photos

Go Back   Sunline Coach Owner's Club > Technical Forums > Towing and Tow Vehicles
Click Here to Login

Join Sunline Club Forums Today


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 11-22-2017, 03:46 PM   #1
Senior Member
 
johnnybgood's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Maryland
Posts: 350
SUN #8237
johnnybgood is an unknown quantity at this point
Finally Weighed My T-1700

I finally weighed my 1996 T-1700 Solaris almost geared up for camping and was a little bit surprised.

Weighed 3,418 pounds. The GVWR is 4,000 pounds. The manual states the UVW is 2,075 pounds. So Iím hauling around 1,343 pounds of ďstuffĒ.

Only thing not loaded was clothes and food, which Iím sure can add up in a hurry.

And sometimes Iíll fill my fresh tank at home. Itís stated in the manual that itís 24 gallons but donít know if itís actually 18 gallons?

Either way, itís about 500 more pounds than I had guessed.

These were just regular scales at the local landfill, so not able to get the individual axle weights or tongue weight.
__________________

__________________
johnnybgood is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2017, 05:01 PM   #2
Moderator
 
JohnB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Ohio
Posts: 9,175
SUN #89
JohnB is an unknown quantity at this point
We all have our "stuff"...

10#, here, 5# their, 20# over there and somehow all those little weights add up to this big number of always creating a,

It has been said the average camper has at "least" 1,000 to 1,100# of stuff they add to the dry weight of a camper. And many are over that, me being one of them.... And as you have seen, it's not hard to do.

Sunline at least created their campers with cargo capacity to allow us to haul our stuff. Many of the new campers a whole lot bigger then yours and have less cargo capacity. Some as bad as 1,000 to 1,100# CCC on a 32 foot camper... That is hard.... All that room and you can't take much. They have taken lite weight sort of to the limit. Not that they are making the campers very light, some are but some are also more into reducing the cargo capacity to allow it to be towed by smaller tow vehicles.

If some day you get an actual loaded tongue weight, please let us know. I will add it to the Sunline actual loaded tongue weight post on your model. This one Sunline Camper Actual Loaded Tongue/Pin Weights

Thanks

John
__________________

__________________
Current Sunlines: 2004 T310SR - Fern Blue, 2004 T1950 - Fern Blue, 2004 T2475 - Nutmeg
Prior Sunlines: 2004 T2499 - Fern Blue
2005 Ford F350 Lariat, 6.8L V10 W/ 4.10 rear axle, CC, Short Bed, SRW. Reese HP trunnion bar hitch W/ HP DC

Google Custom Search For Sunline Owners Club
JohnB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2017, 06:35 PM   #3
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Maine
Posts: 2,526
SUN #2097
mainah is an unknown quantity at this point
40# of propane 200# of water spare tire several pounds of beer a gallon of milk etc mounts up fast. My 1990 T1700 right about 3,000 3,100# ready to go.
__________________
mainah is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2018, 03:50 PM   #4
Senior Member
 
johnnybgood's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Maryland
Posts: 350
SUN #8237
johnnybgood is an unknown quantity at this point
I was looking through my literature and realize I was mistaken about my UVW. Itís 2,385 lbs, not 2,075 lbs. I guess the 2,075 is each axle rating.

So thatís a 310 lbs difference and puts the weight for my ďstuffĒ at 1,033 lbs, not the 1,343 originally posted.

Yes John, your 1,000 to 1,100 number is spot on.

Iíve seen what your talking about with the low cargo capacities. We looked at a few that would only hold 675 pounds.☹️

Iím just glad I educated myself for about a year before zeroing in on a Sunline.
__________________
johnnybgood is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2018, 07:51 AM   #5
Senior Member
 
vcrt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Maryland
Posts: 774
SUN #37
vcrt
I have a suggestion. If a few of us could take the time to weigh our stuff (considering the averages of 1000-1100#, we're probably packing similar stuff), and divide it into categories like clothes, shoes, groceries, pots and pans, tools, chairs etc. it might give a hint as to which categories we might want to take a hard look at for weight reduction. I'm not suggesting we opt to go hungry on our camping trips, but we might want to re-think how many extra chairs we want to take along.

One thing I never intentionally do is haul fresh water. at 8.34#/gallon, a 30 gallon tank is holding an extra 250# of weight. I don't mind stopping to fill up on the way into the CG, although I don't see many others bothering to do it.
On the way out, the excess gets dumped.
Rich
__________________
1992 T-2470 (now residing in South Carolina)
Current Sunline-2007 Solaris 2499
2018 Silverado 1500 w/Max Trailering pkg.
vcrt is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2018, 09:11 AM   #6
Moderator
 
JohnB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Ohio
Posts: 9,175
SUN #89
JohnB is an unknown quantity at this point
Hi Rich,

I have done some of what you are referring to when we had our T2499. And it is always amazing what "stuff" adds up to...Always an eye opener. A lot of small 20# items do add up. The key is, realize it.

In my case and as you know, that floor plan has cargo space that loads towards the tongue of the camper. This makes for a very stable towing camper, but the truck has to be able to handle the weight.

When we had our K2500 Suburban, (yes a 3/4 ton SUV) I had to watch what was loaded in the front of the camper and the truck cargo to not overrun the rear axle rating on the truck. The 3/4 ton SUV has a lower GAWR-RR then the 3/4 ton PU truck. Different spring pack and the fact that the PU truck is made to haul weight and is a lighter vehicle in the back then a SUV.

Here you can see what was in the back of the Suburban which was 250# worth. The fire wood being the biggest adder and then other smaller items but they all add up.


Then comes the camper front cargo hole and the A frame of the camper. Which on the T2499 is the major place to put outside camping gear. On the A frame I carried a spare extra 5lb LP tank and I included the weight of the WD bars as they partly add to TW. This came to 308#.


Everyone has different "stuff" that they take with them. For some, they may never use what others do and that's OK too. And then as you said, sometimes you have stuff that you think you are going to use and well, never do...

A review of "stuff" from time to time is always a good thing. If you have not used it in the last few years, do you really need it?? You do not want to overload your camper or your truck by accident. A point being, bring what makes your camping enjoyable, but do not go over your equipments ratings.

In the case of a 2004 T2499, it had a dry weight of 4,908# with added factory options. Sunline allowed us to put 2,092# of cargo in the camper before the 7,000# GVWR. Again the truck has to be able to handle this.

The average 1,000# of camping gear (stuff) seems to fit for most folks using a hard sided camper. Some have more, some less. It goes with the camping style of taking your kitchen sink with you.... When we had our pop up, we could not take as much and didn't. Seems graviting to a hard sided camper allows things to stay in the camper all the time so with that, extra weight comes. But it was convenient. Just add food, hook up and go.

Before the RV'ing bug bite us... I was an avid backpacker. 50# on my back (including daily water and food) and that was all we needed to camp comfortably for 2 weeks or more at a time less food drops that we would get every 3 to 4 days. We had a lot of good times then.

It seems the more room you have, the more somehow.... "stuff" eventually ends up being in the space. Just keep track of your weights and do not go over your equipments ratings.

Thanks

John
__________________
Current Sunlines: 2004 T310SR - Fern Blue, 2004 T1950 - Fern Blue, 2004 T2475 - Nutmeg
Prior Sunlines: 2004 T2499 - Fern Blue
2005 Ford F350 Lariat, 6.8L V10 W/ 4.10 rear axle, CC, Short Bed, SRW. Reese HP trunnion bar hitch W/ HP DC

Google Custom Search For Sunline Owners Club
JohnB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2018, 03:48 PM   #7
Senior Member
 
johnnybgood's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Maryland
Posts: 350
SUN #8237
johnnybgood is an unknown quantity at this point
Wow, Iím surprised the firewood weighs that much. Iíve been known to stack 3 or 4 times that much in the back of my van, behind the rear axle no less. Reality check.

I was wondering if the A/C and awning are included in my dry weight. Iím guessing not as my brochure states ďAll weights are approximate and for standard equipped modelsĒ.

Options shown in my literature that I have on or in my camper.....

11 ft awning
Microwave
Shower skylight dome
11,000 btu A/C
TV antenna
Spare tire kit
Stabilizer jacks (4 crank down)

I guess Iíll never know the true dry weight until I unload my personal stuff and weigh it.
__________________
johnnybgood is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2018, 05:59 PM   #8
Moderator
 
JohnB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Ohio
Posts: 9,175
SUN #89
JohnB is an unknown quantity at this point
Hi John,

On the Solaris line, you have to check the years. The newer ones had a lot of things as standard, but some of the older ones, they supplied them only as options.

In the 96 brochure, under Preferred Options it lists the awning and AC unit as options.

And they list the microwave, TV antenna, as an option too. A shower dome (skylight), I'm not sure. That was standard on trailers 23 to 30 ft. Your trailer being under that, it may be an option.

The stabilizers and the spare tire for sure where options. They were options all the way to the end.

Sunline Fan is the king of what years had what as standard/options.

Firewood, when you add it one stick at a time it feels pretty light...
If you have hardwood, yeh the weight adds up quick. Even softwoods too pending the variety and how dry they are.

On the newer campers there was weight sticker inside the camper. It stated the dry weight with what options that were on it. I have no idea what year that started. I can attest to that 2004 and newer had them. Another Sunline Fan question. I'm assuming you have no weight sticker inside the camper on the inside of a kitchen or bathroom cabinet door?

Mine looks like this


At this point, yeh unloading the camper and taking it to a scale will give you true dry weight.

Hope this helps

John
__________________
Current Sunlines: 2004 T310SR - Fern Blue, 2004 T1950 - Fern Blue, 2004 T2475 - Nutmeg
Prior Sunlines: 2004 T2499 - Fern Blue
2005 Ford F350 Lariat, 6.8L V10 W/ 4.10 rear axle, CC, Short Bed, SRW. Reese HP trunnion bar hitch W/ HP DC

Google Custom Search For Sunline Owners Club
JohnB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2018, 05:38 AM   #9
Senior Member
 
vcrt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Maryland
Posts: 774
SUN #37
vcrt
Hi John,
I don't think I've seen that sticker in our 2007 model. I wonder if it's in the binder.

I think the old saying that stuff expands to fill the weight allotted is true (I think Les S. Moore said that)

Right now, I have everything that was in my old truck in bins sitting on the floor. I plan on weighing it all just to see what it weighs, but more importantly, I'm going to try to be pretty ruthless about not putting it all back into my new truck. Most of it is work related and my thinking has always been to have it along just in case it was needed when I'm miles away on a job. But I see so many items that got buried and were just as useless, because I forgot they were there. It goes along the same line of thinking about being organized. If I don't store an item in a logical place, then when I need it, it's the same as not having it if I can't find it. Its taking up space (and/or adding weight) and being of no benefit.
Rich
__________________
1992 T-2470 (now residing in South Carolina)
Current Sunline-2007 Solaris 2499
2018 Silverado 1500 w/Max Trailering pkg.
vcrt is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2018, 06:26 AM   #10
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Maine
Posts: 2,526
SUN #2097
mainah is an unknown quantity at this point
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnybgood View Post
Wow, Iím surprised the firewood weighs that much. Iíve been known to stack 3 or 4 times that much in the back of my van, behind the rear axle no less. Reality check.

I was wondering if the A/C and awning are included in my dry weight. Iím guessing not as my brochure states ďAll weights are approximate and for standard equipped modelsĒ.

Options shown in my literature that I have on or in my camper.....

11 ft awning
Microwave
Shower skylight dome
11,000 btu A/C
TV antenna
Spare tire kit
Stabilizer jacks (4 crank down)

I guess Iíll never know the true dry weight until I unload my personal stuff and weigh it.
I burn fire wood to mostly heat my house in Maine I have acres of woods so it's cheap heat except for the hard labor part. If some one shows up in your yard with a full size pickup and says he has a cord of wood to sell you he's lying. First it not big enough and second it weights around 2 tons! I have a wagon that I tow with the tractor that's 8' wide and 12' long and I fill it to 3-4' high with tossed in split wood it will hold about 1 1/2 cord! Perception of weight all ways comes up short.
__________________
mainah is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2018, 07:18 AM   #11
Senior Member
 
264SRinPA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 492
SUN #67
264SRinPA
Hey Rich, look inside the medicine cabinet
__________________
Mike & Roz
2018 Grand Design 315RLTS
2013 Ford F-350 Lariat PSD/CC/LB/FX4
Sunlines= '06-2075, '06-264SR
264SRinPA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2018, 10:31 AM   #12
Moderator
 
Sunline Fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Michigan
Posts: 5,704
SUN #123
Sunline Fan is an unknown quantity at this point
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnB View Post
Hi John,

On the Solaris line, you have to check the years. The newer ones had a lot of things as standard, but some of the older ones, they supplied them only as options.

In the 96 brochure, under Preferred Options it lists the awning and AC unit as options.

And they list the microwave, TV antenna, as an option too. A shower dome (skylight), I'm not sure. That was standard on trailers 23 to 30 ft. Your trailer being under that, it may be an option.

The stabilizers and the spare tire for sure where options. They were options all the way to the end.

Sunline Fan is the king of what years had what as standard/options.

On the newer campers there was weight sticker inside the camper. It stated the dry weight with what options that were on it. I have no idea what year that started. I can attest to that 2004 and newer had them. Another Sunline Fan question. I'm assuming you have no weight sticker inside the camper on the inside of a kitchen or bathroom cabinet door?
These '96s were interesting. In theory a trailer this small was considered a Saturn, but in '95 for the anniversary, they made everything Solaris. I think the small ones still didn't have all the Solaris options available, and especially not the 7' wide models. So, I really doubt POG was an available option on a T-1700. The only way to know is the model spec sheet, which was usually put on the bathroom door mirror with stickers. I don't have many of these- most were thrown away and not put in the owners manuals. Later ones were VIN specific and had the VIN on them, but earlier ones were just a standard listing sheet by floorplan. The order sheet that is more commonly found only has checkboxes, and it isn't floorplan specific.

The interior weight sticker didn't come until 1996 or 1997, I'm pretty sure 1997 was the first year. They were usually in a kitchen cabinet then, and were moved to the bathroom sometime in the 2000s.

Quote:
Originally Posted by vcrt View Post
I don't think I've seen that sticker in our 2007 model. I wonder if it's in the binder.
Quote:
Originally Posted by 264SRinPA View Post
Hey Rich, look inside the medicine cabinet
Yep, it should be in the bathroom medicine cabinet, along with some other colorful warning stickers. There should be a copy in the front of the owner's manual as well, they started that around 2002 or 2003.
__________________
2007 T-286SR Cherry/Granola, #6236, original owner, current mileage: 9461.2 (as of 10/01/16)
1997 T-2653 Blue Denim, #5471
1979 12 1/2' MC, Beige & Avocado, #4639
Past Sunlines: '97 T-2653 #5089, '94 T-2251, '86 T-1550, '94 T-2363, '98 T-270SR
Sunline Fan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2018, 05:43 PM   #13
Moderator
 
JohnB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Ohio
Posts: 9,175
SUN #89
JohnB is an unknown quantity at this point
Quote:
Originally Posted by vcrt View Post
I think the old saying that stuff expands to fill the weight allotted is true (I think Les S. Moore said that)
That is a fact/trait of campers.... When we moved all our stuff from our Coleman Mesa popup, the wider/taller/longer one, it had 2 king beds, all the stuff went into the T2499 real quick. Cindy and I said, wow, the new camper is empty... Well it wasn't really empty but it had lots of open spaces.

That changed after a year or 2 camping in it... We never filled totally to GVWR, more like 6,400 to 6,600 with stuff and mod upgrades. With no fresh water.

When we moved from the T2499 to the T310SR, it was not as shockingly empty. We did gain some more overhead, under coach and in the bathroom storage but the rest of the floorplan between a T2499 and a T310SR is not that different. Just more space around the table and chairs and walking down the middle of the camper.

The weight sticker, check all the kitchen cabinets, and pantry and the bathroom. Here is the one off our 2004 T2499.
__________________
Current Sunlines: 2004 T310SR - Fern Blue, 2004 T1950 - Fern Blue, 2004 T2475 - Nutmeg
Prior Sunlines: 2004 T2499 - Fern Blue
2005 Ford F350 Lariat, 6.8L V10 W/ 4.10 rear axle, CC, Short Bed, SRW. Reese HP trunnion bar hitch W/ HP DC

Google Custom Search For Sunline Owners Club
JohnB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2018, 06:34 AM   #14
Senior Member
 
johnnybgood's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Maryland
Posts: 350
SUN #8237
johnnybgood is an unknown quantity at this point
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunline Fan View Post
I really doubt POG was an available option on a T-1700.

Whatís POG?
__________________

__________________
johnnybgood is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Few ? on a solaris T-1700 wraith13 Sunline Travel Trailers 16 06-28-2011 06:23 PM
t-1700 1994 davarrow Introduce Yourself 2 12-06-2010 05:15 AM
Weighed the T-320SR and my pickup today EMD_Driver Towing and Tow Vehicles 5 08-17-2009 07:56 AM
Sunny has been weighed kanyonkitty Sunline Travel Trailers 26 09-25-2008 06:46 PM
Weighed the trailer/truck anyone? chriseck Towing and Tow Vehicles 3 01-23-2007 04:53 AM



» Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Disclaimer:

This website is not affiliated with or endorsed by Sunline RV or any of its affiliates. This is an independent, unofficial site.


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:50 AM.