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Old 02-21-2010, 06:32 PM   #1
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License plate holder broken?

We found our trailers license plate laying on the driveway tonight. The two 'tabs' that hang down under the drivers side taillight assembly appear to have cracked off.

Can anyone point me to a replacement light and license plate holder set? Or is there another option to hold the plate?

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Re: License plate holder broken?

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We found our trailers license plate laying on the driveway tonight. The two 'tabs' that hang down under the drivers side taillight assembly appear to have cracked off.

Can anyone point me to a replacement light and license plate holder set? Or is there another option to hold the plate?
The light fixture is standard RV stuff available at any decent RV parts desk. If you remove the red lens, you will probably find the manufacturer name and part number molded in the plastic. If you know the manufacturer and part number, you can also find them from several sources online and eBay.

If you remove the light fixture, use a hair dryer to loosen the old caulk. Pry gently with a putty knife, but be sure not to scratch or dent the skin. Clean it all off the skin of the trailer, and remove any residue with mineral spirits or WD-40, then wash with soap and water. You can pick up replacement caulk at the RV parts desk, too. You want to ask for "butyl putty tape". You may have to get screws one size larger to mount the new lamp.

You might also look in an auto parts store for license plate holder brackets that you could mount under the body of the tail light.
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To add to Steve's note

Here is the kind on mine. Made by Bargam.

[url]http://shop.easternmarine.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalog.prodInfo&productID=91 96&categoryID=424]/url]

Here is the Bargam catalog. Mine is a 2004 Sunline and do not know if your 1999 is the same or not.

Mine are on page 34.
http://www.bargman.com/inc/Lights2008.pdf

The key is figuring out which light you have then you can search on line for a part number.

If your not use to looking up all this parts number sutff, take the old one to an Napa Auto parts store or RV dealer and they can match it.

The plastic tabs get sunbleached and the plastic turns brittle and the plate falls off. Classic problem.

On your new one, spray the plastic with 303 UV protectant or some form of UV protectent. It helps slow down the problem.

Hope this helps

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To add to Steve's note

Here is the kind on mine. Made by Bargam.
http://shop.easternmarine.com/index....categoryID=424


Here is the Bargam catalog. Mine is a 2004 Sunline and do not know if your 1999 is the same or not.

Mine are on page 34.
http://www.bargman.com/inc/Lights2008.pdf

The key is figuring out which light you have then you can search on line for a part number.

If your not use to looking up all this parts number sutff, take the old one to an Napa Auto parts store or RV dealer and they can match it.

The plastic tabs get sunbleached and the plastic turns brittle and the plate falls off. Classic problem.

On your new one, spray the plastic with 303 UV protectant or some form of UV protectent. It helps slow down the problem.

Hope this helps

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Hi Diane,

As John said, you have a common problem. What is somewhat uncommon though is how it just randomly fell off. I can see when trying to take the plate on or off, but just randomly, that's unusual.

You should indeed have the Bargman #92 series. Sunline used those from 1996 through 2007. Yours should have it unless they were replaced at some point, but considering the tabs were very brittle, I'd say that chance is low.

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Thanks for the tips!

I am thinking our rapid changes in temps may have had a good bit to do with it.

There is a possibility a kid knocked it while getting a sled out of the garage that the trailer is parked in front of, but they are both saying they didn't hit the trailer.
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As John said, you have a common problem. What is somewhat uncommon though is how it just randomly fell off. I can see when trying to take the plate on or off, but just randomly, that's unusual.
I lost one a couple of years ago. The back of the trailer faces south when parked here at home so it gets the sun all day, every day, year 'round. Cold weather + sun-weakened plastic + strong wind or other movement = prime opportunity for it to break.

I swapped fixtures when I got the trailer so I could have the reg plate on one side, and a custom emblem on the other. When the one broke, I just stopped displaying the custom emblem. It's on my "to do" list to replace it, but kinda low at the moment. And I am thinking about keeping the existing fixture and using a simple aluminum plate or license plate bracket for hanging the plate under the fixture.
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Diane,
Mine did the same thing. Instead of replacing the whole light I took the light off and made replacement tabs with some pieces of light metal.
I used some 1" aluminum flat stock and cut them about 3" long.
I then drilled through the light and used small machine screws to bolt them to the light, allowing them to hang down under the light as the tabs would. I then bolted the plate on with a small bolt. If the TT wasn't buried in snow I would go take some pics.

Looking at the forcast I think we are gonna really be buried by the weekend.
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So with our absolutely miserable weather we still haven't taken care of this (and this weekend isn't really any better)

But I did get the cover off and get the numbers

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SAE-AILRST-94 DOT
30-92-XXX

This doesn't seem to be matching up with any current parts listings that I am finding, nor the local dealer (I have left a message for another dealer that I haven't heard back from yet).

I am thinking this may be discontinued, and I am considering the idea of upgrading to LED tailights, figuring that if I can't match it up exactly I may as well go with something a little bit more modern and possibly have a better designed license plate holder (hopefully).

Has anyone upgraded to LED? Any comments, thoughts, suggestions are appreciated!

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Hi Diane

Any chance of a pic of yours? and a length and width of the outside of the lens?

This should not be this hard. But may learn something new. The SAE number might be a DOT standard the light meets and not the Bargam part number. The 30-93-XXX could be part of a series 92 light that is very common.

Does it looks like this? A standard series 92 tail light.

http://www.pplmotorhomes.com/parts/r...ts/55-8245.htm

On the last page of this catalog is a Bargman technical service phone number. They can tell you what your numbers mean and if it has been discontinued.

http://www.bargman.com/inc/Lights2008.pdf

Also one other thing, your signature pic is not coming thru. The standard pic format that works on all systems uses the IMG command Starts out as a http:then the pic address and ends in .jpg. and closes with a /img comand. For reason we ahve not yet figured out, you may be able to view it on your system or on a preview but not when posted on the open forum.

This is all we see. ""</a>""

I put it in quotes so it should not post.

Is this your pic?

http://www.sunlineclub.com/forums/at...822071ec46.jpg

If so just add the [img] before it and then the [/img] after it, no sapces and use the brackets.

Should look like this.



If you go into your photobucket account just look for the format called IMG. Then copy that format and paste here. All the commands come with it.

Hope this helps

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BARGMAN
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30-92-XXX
I have a #92 series Bargman light around the house and it has this exact information. They aren't discontinued.

My local dealer has them: http://store.generalrv.com/Items/309...0Tail%20Lights

Here's direct from the Bargman website: http://www.bargman.com/product/detai...92003&cat=8280

Here PPL has them, a well known online site: http://www.pplmotorhomes.com/parts/r...ts/55-8245.htm

Upgrading to LED is possible, though there is no specific drop in replacement light for that. You'd have to get a series of LED's and install them into the existing socket, which you'd need the new light housing anyway.

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OMG I had no idea Bargman has a website. (Thanks google... )

Old PNs don't seem to apply, but it looks like I might be able to get a lens for my "assist handle/light" on the side of my trailer after all.

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OMG I had no idea Bargman has a website. (Thanks google... )

Old PNs don't seem to apply, but it looks like I might be able to get a lens for my "assist handle/light" on the side of my trailer after all.

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I think I have fixed my signature now, please let me know

I don't have a pic of the light assembled, at the moment, but I do have a pic of the numbers:



The picture here http://www.pplmotorhomes.com/parts/r...ts/55-8245.htm doesn't seem right to our memory, Hopefully the rain will stop enough on Sunday for me to get a full picture of the tail light.
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Diane

I agree with Sunline Fan. I think we solved your mrystery. That 1 pic of yours goes a long way.

See here from mine. I had a spare new one in the bag. Just went and looked. But this is the right side one, no plate tabs. The last 3 digits of the part number are the options.

What you are showing us is a Bargman 92 series light.

Here is mine. Again with no plate tabs.






The 92 series with the plate tabs is: Bargman Part number 30-92-003

Hope this helps.

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Thanks so much!!
No such good luck for me it turns out, the light they have now is different from the one I have on the trailer - It's a "reflectolite" or some such...

Dash it all!
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No such good luck for me it turns out, the light they have now is different from the one I have on the trailer - It's a "reflectolite" or some such...

Dash it all!
This is the grab handle light by the door, right?

If I recall, the piece was just a simple thin piece of milky white plastic, maybe 50% transparent. I don't remember being able to see a shadow of the bulb, maybe in a certain really bright direct sun. Mine was so yellowed though that I couldn't say what it would look like new.

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Diane,
Mine did the same thing. Instead of replacing the whole light I took the light off and made replacement tabs with some pieces of light metal.
I used some 1" aluminum flat stock and cut them about 3" long.
I then drilled through the light and used small machine screws to bolt them to the light, allowing them to hang down under the light as the tabs would. I then bolted the plate on with a small bolt.
Mine was broken off when I bought it too. The previous owner kept the plate in the back window so I followed suit. However it doesn't get lit that way and I've been pulled over for that before for a different vehicle.

I was thinking of doing pretty much the same thing. Making a plate holder out of something like scrap dryer skin. Except I would make it so it lines up with holes that bolt on the light so I don't have to drill, I can just sandwich it below the light. Then bolt the plate on.
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We did manage to get ours replaced last weekend, it took me longer to find the part then it did to do the actual replacement.

We did consider the back window option, and another bracket option, but didn't want to get pulled over for it, so we replaced the taillight.

We did actually take the whole thing off again when we hooked it up to the tow vehicle because we thought we had messed up, as it wasn't lighting correctly - turns out we didn't actually have the plug to the tow vehicle in correctly.
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