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Old 10-03-2019, 09:18 AM   #1
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2004 T-317SR Restoration - Project camper no. 4 with pics

Hi Folks,

It seems that this year, restoration project campers are abundant. This past weekend BenB and I traveled to northern VA to pick up our latest project camper, a 2004 T317SR. And if you are counting, this is project camper no. 4.

The opportunity presented itself, and the camper was in the acceptable condition for a restore project. This camper is an early build, 2004 model. The VIN decal is sun faded, but the single owner had the manual with all the paperwork in it. The camper went through final inspection at Sunline in June 2003 according to the inspection record dates. The interior dťcor is Nutmeg Floral. The camper was a stock order camper to a dealership by the invoice sheet. This 2004 T317SR has enclosed and a heated tank compartment, which I found as a shock. I had thought that my T310SR was one of the few enclosed tank TT’s Sunline offered as this was not an advertised option. But, it seems they provided it on other larger models in the 2004 line up. At this point there is more to learn on how these enclosed and heated tank compartment Sunline TT’s came to be and which models have them.

Last year the owners noticed a leak in the back wall area and repaired it to help stop the leak. Over the winter, a tree branch fell on the roof in the repaired area and separated the roof membrane from the rear wall. Water was leaking in for an unknown period and they did not notice it as they stated they went camping once in it earlier in the year.

Before discovering the new leak, they started to prepare it for sale. They then found the latest roof leak and realized the gravity of the situation. They called one RV roofer and got a quote. The cost to replace the roof was too much for them to absorb and still try to sell it. They decided to sell it, as is. The owner was forthcoming, not trying to hide anything and the total transaction went off smoothly. They were accommodating with everything, especially during pick up day.

Here is the roof issue. Yes, this looks ugly.

The rest of the roof needs replacing.


The back of the roof was tarped before we arrived to help stop more water from getting it. When we removed the tarp, we drained approximately a gallon of water laying in the membrane that had collected, the black area in the pic. Having been sent good pictures, I was able to create and come prepared with a temporary roof patch to allow us the 500-mile tow home and not have a roof separation or leaking problem. Having done two roof replacements over the winter, and not yet taking the old roof materials to the dump, I had enough roofing material (rubber bonded to bud board) to make an 8 ft wide by 6-foot length roof patch.

Three of the rear rafters were compromised from the water damage. The 4th rafter in front of the rear roof vent still had some stability left to it. We placed two small sheets of 3/16” flooring underlayment over the old roof to hold up the new roof patch. Using long screws and fender washer, we attached the two pieces of wood plywood to the rafters, rear wall molding, and themselves.


Next was to place the 8ft x 6 ft old rubber roof patch with solid bud board backing over the plywood sheets and attached it all sides with fender washers and screws. With the rear wall ceiling rafter deteriorated, we screwed into the aluminum molding, which was still well attached. Then I cleaned the perimeter of the rubber patch, the old roof, and the moldings and used a combination 3” wide Gorilla tape and 4” Gorilla brand Eternabond type tape they now sell. The old roof patch was wide enough to lap over the gutter rails and be screwed to the side of the camper. The tape added extra temporary water protection.


This did take an amount of time to do. Cleaning was the longest to get the tape to bond correctly. While I was doing the roof patch taping, BenB was doing tire pressures, lug nuts torqueing, and getting everything else ready for road travel. The owner towed the camper from this tight turning spot out into cul-de-sac street where we could set up the Reese dual cam WD hitch on our truck. The upper cam arms adjusting nuts had dirt seized up, and I didn’t bring any penetrating fluid, making adjusting impossible. Penetrating oil will now be added to the camper pick up list! But, I remembered we had some mineral spirits for roof cleaning! Digging the dirt out of the cam arm key slots, I was able to work the mineral spirits into the threads and with luck and wiggling, freed up the cam arm locking nuts. Never had this issue before, but live and learn and we were then on our way home.

Here is a rest stop in MD. They have nice rest stops.


The weather started nicely; as the evening approached we hit a monsoon rainstorm that we had to drive through in total darkness. Glad we patched the roof! We made it to the Washington PA, KOA, to camp for the night, and it has stopped raining at least. We cleaned up the camper and made dinner on the stove. By 10:00 pm we finally dined and then crashed for the night. Sunday we made it home fine as the sun came back out again.

Here are some inside and outside pics at our place if you have never seen this floor plan. I started to clean-up the siding before we begin taking the camper apart so it can dry out before winter. This camper is 31’ 6” long, and cleaning every inch with a magic eraser and Awesome cleaner is a time-consuming task… I’ll do the rest at a later time

The outside:








The front top siding partly cleaned and the roof status. I was not going to clean the roof as it will be replaced.




Inside pics;

This camper has three bunks in the back, and it has a moveable wall feature for the bunk room. It adds some privacy if wanted, or the wall can be left open. But the wall has to be stored for travel as the slide room uses the floor space the wall is in when the slide comes in. Here is the wall with a mirror on it in the stored position.


And in the bunk room closed position. There is a hinged access door on the left.


The dinette and couch slide


The kitchen area looking towards the pass-through bathroom to the master bedroom.


With the bath door closed


Looking in the entry door


The rear bunk area. The ceiling has dropped from the water damage, and I cannot get the moveable wall to swing wide open. The pics are closeups as I was so close to the area. There is also one bunk with two cushions on it. And one with none. That was me storing it there to see what was under the bottom bunk. A water heater and cargo storage area.






Each bunk has its own window and light.


The bath area




I have yet to figure out what drove Sunline to install tub showers and non-tub showers in slide room campers. On the non-slide campers, there are wheel wells to contend with, and the tub shower shows up there to deal with the wheel well. But on a slide camper, the floor is flat the entire camper. Anyone know why in the same model year, some slide campers have tub showers, and some do not? I have even seen this on the T-264SR models. Some do, and some don’t have tub shows, yet the same floor plan.

The front master bedroom;






The pics do not show the amount of restoration repair needed. So far, this is what I know needs to be restored, repaired. The list will grow as the camper comes apart.

- The rear bunk area ceiling needs replacement and all wood above it.
- The right and left rear wall areas have water damage.
- The entire rear wall has water damage.
- A whole new roof is needed.
- The top front roof corners have the beginning of water infiltration, as shown by wet walls with the moisture meter.
- The front left lower wall has a water infection in the storage compartment. It looks like a corner molding leak.
- The slide drive system needs the drive shaft bushing rebuild and slide adjustment.
- The slide floor has a small area of floor water damage to be repaired.
- The freshwater tank mount needs to be reworked along with the bottom cover. The tank was laying out of its cradle being held in by the bottom cover.
- The axles are very much out of alignment. The trailer dog tracks hard to the right and wears tires badly as observed on the old set of tires they took off, which I requested to keep. The back of the camper is approx. 6 to 8” shifted to the right and dog tracking with the front while towing straight down the road.
- The right side rear spring hanger has cracked the I beam frame web above it from side turn flexing of the lower I beam flange. This web crack is an issue on the long spring hanger I beam frames of this vintage across the RV industry. Sunline is not alone in this issue. Reinforcing needs to be added to stop the lower I beam flange from constantly flexing in turns.
- The roof AC unit does work, but the control system has issues and will not respond to the T stat. The roof AC unit runs nonstop in high cooling until you turn the power off. The good news, the compressor, and the fan does work.

I will post more as progress continues.

Thanks for looking.

John
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Old 10-03-2019, 02:49 PM   #2
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Congratulations John! Thatís a nice floor plan.
So you have enough space to store all your campers under roof?

As to the tub thing. When you say none tub you mean the tub with the built in seat? Do some models just have a shower pan?
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Congratulations John! Thatís a nice floor plan.
So you have enough space to store all your campers under roof?

As to the tub thing. When you say none tub you mean the tub with the built in seat? Do some models just have a shower pan?
The under roof space is now getting "tight"... There is only enough room for one more extra special one if it ever comes along before I have to sell something...

The tub shower thing, All my 2004 campers, have a basin shower. Looks like this. So it is the basin shower I'm referring too verses the shower tub you stand in.

This is the basin shower





I know the seat thing you are referring too, but I have not seen one of them on a newer one other then the combo tub/seat that goes over a wheel well like the T2363's have to have. The floor plan and wheel well of the non slide camper requires it.

Why on this T317SR did they put a tub shower in verses a basin shower? It is not a space issue on this slide floor model. The only thing I can think of in this case, being it is a bunkhouse, maybe they thought with small children the tub might fit the family better??

But they did the same thing on the T264SR in 2004 which is not a bunk house. They put a tub shower in. In 2005 until the end, they put in basin showers.

There was a reason for them to do this, just trying to figure out what it is. I personally do not like the tub shower. You lose standing space.
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I see your new project has a heat vent on the tub wall. Probably couldnít fit that in there with a tub basin.

I agree with you about the tub, being itís a bunkhouse and small children.

Maybe Sunline utilized what they had in inventory for the non bunkhouse models?
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I would kill to have a flat floor pan shower! Mine has one of the sit down tubs and my feet just barely fit inside of the small standing area. It would have been long gone if I could have figured out what to do with all of the stuff underneath it!
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Our '07-276SR, which is a bunk model, has the tub shower. It was actually one of the reasons my wife liked the model.

What is unusual, at 5' 10" she could actually take baths in it!!
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Mine was designed as a bad joke by someone with an evil sense of humor. It may have been a bit more tolerable if they had put it in the other way around so that you didn't have to climb around the sink to get in!
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Mainah, I hear what your saying about the T1700 tub. From what I remember about mine was the space under the tub seat was for the 30 amp power cord. Maybe the water pump (canít remember)? Wonder if you could use a power cord thatís not hard wired? I see a lot of campers like that.

Sorry for the hijack John.
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One of the first things I did was rebuild the power panel and instal a new converter that was easy it's no longer under there. The pump,hot and cold sink water, sink vents, hot air duct and the city water plumbing are all under there! The step up into the shower is about 16" like I said if they had put the tub in the other way around at least you could step into the deep end of the tub all one foot square of it! I really like the camper by and large for a small camper it has all the room two people really need. If we didn't have things to complain about life would be so simple. I can't fix the problem I think that's what bothers me the most.
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I see your new project has a heat vent on the tub wall. Probably couldnít fit that in there with a tub basin.

I agree with you about the tub, being itís a bunkhouse and small children.

Maybe Sunline utilized what they had in inventory for the non bunkhouse models?
Hi John,

They can fit the heat duct into a flat shower basin setup. See here on my T310SR. Iíve seen other floor plans with it here too.


I'm not sure room under the shower was a driver for going tub shower or flat shower basin.

This is 2005 T2363 tub shower that goes over the wheel well. In this case, this floor plan forced a tub shower with the bath over the wheel well.


The room under shower is the same as my T310SR and other Sunlines. The driver I believe for the lifted shower platform in this vintage build, was for the drain trap. This height was consistent on shower tub or flat basin. The pipe trap has to fit under the shower and ideally be serviceable. On this era of floor construction, 2 x 3ís stand up on the 2Ē end as floor joists. They created a boxed well in the floor for the trap to go below the floor line. That boxed well is sealed in to the Darco waterproof membrane and they put small holes in the Darco to let any trap water leak out. Glad they did that.




I had to change a leaking shower strainer this spring on this T2363 if was repairing and I had to figure out how to take the trap out. It did come out.





I know earlier Sunlines have the 2 x 3 lying flat on the 3Ē side. I myself have not had one of them apart yet to know what they did with the trap. Maybe had a smaller well and the shower floor was a little higher?

I now see Mack has a shower tub too in his bunk house. It would fit with the assumption the tub would go with the children and the bunks. That may have been the leading reason.

My T317SR was made in June 2003. Sunline was up and going strong then. I wouldnít thing they needed to use up excess inventory during this time as the engineering and shop drawings all need to change too. I do not know for sure, but suspect they just ordered these components, flat basin or tub shower for the job like all the windows, doors etc. where. Maybe Sunline Fan can shed some like on the shower choice.
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I would kill to have a flat floor pan shower! Mine has one of the sit down tubs and my feet just barely fit inside of the small standing area. It would have been long gone if I could have figured out what to do with all of the stuff underneath it!
Is yours like this one? This is on a 2005 T2363.




This sounds like you are describing but it may be bigger as the camper is bigger. The power converter is right under the faucets for the shower. I really like the T2363 floor plan a lot, but I do admit the shower is not ideal. Floor plans are all about choices. They maximized everything else very well in this small of a camper. The wheel well is the issue. If they built the camper higher and had no wheel well to contend with, then a flat floor shower basin would fit. But it puts the camper up higher. It then becomes a trade off with wind drag, 2 steps to get in, higher garage door need etc. with the height.
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