Advice needed: Que or T1950 - Page 2

sunnyseagull · 01-03-2010, 04:47 PM

Hi Scott

welcome to the site. now I am probably going to catch heck for this but I did it for 3 years I had a 1994 jeep grand cherokee with 5.2 v8 with the qaudro trac 4x4 full time and I tow my 2002 sunline 2670 with a Reese dual cam (old style ) with my self , my wife and two kids and a dog and never had any problems, now gvrw on the jeep was 6500lb the gvrw on the 2670 was 7000lb and I am sure that I was at that on some trips, but my point is you should not have any problem towing a 1950 with your Jeep good luck and happy camping and remeber only 5 more months until the MEET & GREET AT BUTTONWOOD!!

**JohnB** · 01-03-2010, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by slogan

The TT that I am going to look at is coming with a WD hitch but not sure as to what kind. I am waiting on a response from the owner to let me know what kind it is and what the weight limits are of it. As soon as I get that response then I'll know if I need to go out and purchase the Equalizer or Reese Dual Cam or not. Hopefully it will be one of the two.

I believe that I read somewhere that the ball height of the T1950 is 17" but I may be confusing that with the Que since I have been doing alot of reading about the two

Scott

Hi Scott

If you go see the TT, take a pic of the hitch and post it here. We can tell from the pic what it is and vintage. Many folks do not know all the details of the hitch they have. They may even nick name it an equalizer hitch. And the brand may be an EAZ lift, Husky, Putnam etc but it is not the brand name Equal-I-zer by Progress Industries.

And maybe what they have can be upgraded or not. There are as many brands/types of hitches out there. It is like going into the store and buying toothpaste. Which one??? They all claim to be the best.

Here is a pic of my DC on my 2004 T2499. This is a 7,000# GVWR TT. It has a 18 ½ inch ball height. The DC clearance is 6” to the ground. That is about the limit. Notice the ball coupler is on top of the A frame.

Here is an Equal-I-zer brand hitch on a A frame with the ball on top. It does not hang down as far.

I have run into this clearance issue with the DC before on low TT’s several times. Last fall I helped a fellow SOC member at a M & G with his 2005 T2363 and a Reese DC. That TT is also a 5,500# GVWR like the T1950. It had a 4” wide A frame which in this case helped the cause. However he had the Reese round bar setup in stead of the trunnion bar and the combo limited his hitch head tilt. We got the TT leveled out and the truck WD set right, but he only had about 4 ½” ground clearance maybe pushing 5”.

Can it work, yes, however if you are buying a new one, you now have a choice.
If you are in the 17” or lower range on ball height the Equal-I-zer does not have this low issue. It is a better tool in this application, but need to buy the right size one.

Good luck and we are here to help when you need us.

John

Diane · 01-04-2010, 07:53 AM

Our Sunline T-1950 has the Equalizer hitch and it has worked very well for us towing on the flat as well as through ME and NH mountains.

We really like the 1950 with the sofa and chair. We travel with two standard poodles and somehow all of us fit in the TT. LOL

Welcome to the SOC and hope to meet you in June at Buttonwood!!

luvrque · 01-04-2010, 10:00 PM

Hi Scott

Well I guess I am the first to say the QUE.
We bought our Que RE new & LOVE IT !!

As far as the oversized King bed: it takes about 3-4 mins.to setup or takedown the way we do it.
I am sure you saw a Que in person so you know all the +'s Like the full bath, large counter space, Fiberglass not alum. sidding,oversized King bed, WINDOWS unlike the 1950, Etc.Etc.
We will never trade it in for a LARGER trailer. (had that before)
With it's small size we keep it in a large garage.
It tows GREAT hardly know it's behind you. Very easy to maneuver. and we don't use a sway control or eqalizer bars.
We do 3,000+ mile trips and live in it 4-5 weeks at a time, no problem at all.
It is a upscale trailer List was over 25k so,if you can get one for App.11k it's a good deal. IMO
Ofcourse you could get a much older 1995-2004 T1950 for less than half that, if money is the main concern.
If you have ANY questions about the Que just ask, I will be glad to answer them.

slogan · 01-05-2010, 09:12 AM

Hello luvrque, I was beginning to wonder if anyone was going to speak up on behalf of their Que. I really like the functionality of the Que but was sort of concerned about the actual space. Can you refresh my memory and confirm the ceiling height inside the Que? Especially from the floor to the bottom of the AC unit (which I believe is the lowest point). I am 6'3" tall and don't want to make it a habit of turning on the AC with my forehead.

Also, no complaints of the stove/sink combination from your perspective? The faucet given you any issues? Since yours is the RE did it come with the rear awning? Did it take you long to gauge how frequently you need to empty the smaller holding tanks? (I suppose that too would be a personal thing depending on how you use the bathroom/shower arrangement).

Thanks again for chiming in here.
Scott

dennisb · 01-05-2010, 11:53 AM

Hi,

We have a Que SE that we bought new. Living on the West Coast (Washington State) our travels have been to the Atlantic and back and to Alaska and back as well as shorter trips. For a couple and a dog, the Que works perfectly. I am also 6' 3", and I just brush the air conditioner, so I don't loiter around it, but have no problem with the ceiling! We tow with a 2008 Toyota Tacoma 4x4 and do not use any kind of WD or sway control. Never have had any issues relating to control. Based on our travels and the 25,000 miles and up to 6 weeks at a time in the trailer we love it. We've had a few issues, some initial problems and some developing from rough roads (Alaska). None of the problems have been major but rather annoyances. We have pulled our Que on the Blue Ridge Parkway in the fog and freezing weather with no issues. A beautify drive, by the way. We have stayed in the trailer down to 20 degrees in Oregon and New Mexico with only minor problems. The furnace easily keeps the trailer warm in the cold. Did need to use a hair dryer to unfreeze the dump valve!

Good luck with your decision.

**Tweety** · 01-05-2010, 12:50 PM

Our problem with the stove sink thing was only with the sink. The faucet leaked under the sink, which Steve was able to fix. The main issue was that in order to get hot water you have to swivel the faucet handle to all the way on which also increases the water pressure - splattering water on the counter and stove. (even with a pressure regulator on the hose) The sink is also really small and a single, which makes doing dishes difficult. Getting a sizeable pot under the faucet for something like spaghetti is also difficult.
The stove worked fine, but there's no oven.
I didn't want to give the impression that we hated our QUE. All the little things I mentioned over on the other discussion just became annoying after a while.
We also towed with no weight distribution bars or sway control and it towed nicely.

**Sunline Fan** · 01-05-2010, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by slogan

Since yours is the RE did it come with the rear awning?

Hi Scott,

Just so you know, the rear awning option on the RE is very rare. The only time I can think of that I saw them was on RE's ordered by a dealer in California. No other dealer that I know of ordered them with the rear awning. So unless you can find a special order Que, chances of finding one is a bit rare. Also, the mounted TV option is a bit rare too. Not as rare as the rear awning, but still rare, and especially later on in production.

The Que is an interesting product in that it was only around for about ten months of production. Dealers who were interested (which weren't all the Sunline dealers) signed up and ordered some to get the product saturated in the market. Those sold out over time and there was probably a short time in the mid summer of 2006 where custom ordering was more common, or at least dealers would have to order in a unit if there was a customer interested. Then come November, dealers were "forced" to pick up Sunline's remaining finished goods inventory because they finished building what they could. Fortunately, the quality of these last ones continued to be very good, where they really aren't any different than the rest, but really decking out this inventory wasn't all that common. I know the Que's didn't have many option choices, but when it came to the Solaris' with a long list of options, they still didn't put many on those during the last weeks of production.

Jon

luvrque · 01-05-2010, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by slogan

Hello luvrque, I was beginning to wonder if anyone was going to speak up on behalf of their Que. I really like the functionality of the Que but was sort of concerned about the actual space. Can you refresh my memory and confirm the ceiling height inside the Que? Especially from the floor to the bottom of the AC unit (which I believe is the lowest point). I am 6'3" tall and don't want to make it a habit of turning on the AC with my forehead.

Also, no complaints of the stove/sink combination from your perspective? The faucet given you any issues? Since yours is the RE did it come with the rear awning? Did it take you long to gauge how frequently you need to empty the smaller holding tanks? (I suppose that too would be a personal thing depending on how you use the bathroom/shower arrangem
Thanks again for chiming in here.
Scott

Hi Scott
As far as the height I guess Dennis covered that & more.

As for the sink: I reversed the cold & hot water tubing and added a valve (under the sink) to slow the flow of the hot water so it don't splash.
We do not have the rear awning.
If I had to name one thing I would like different, it would be Larger Gray & Black holding tanks. ( & there is room underneath for larger tanks but I will not replace them)
We never use the campground toilets & only one of us uses the showers sometime, when we don't have full hookup. (state parks)....so with no waste hookup we have to dump ever 3 days. If you use there toilets & showers you could dump less.
To hookup & go to the dump is not a big deal with the Que.
Ofcourse with a full hookup the tanks are no problem.

As I said before a big Plus is how it tows....

I also tow a boat & trailer with a total weight of app. 5,100 lbs. Towing the boat you really know it's there. The difference from towing the boat versus the Que is like NIGHT & DAY ! Just the difference of app. 1,600 lbs. makes a VAST difference in towing .
Any more questions just ask.

slogan · 01-06-2010, 07:06 AM

Good morning everyone. I received a few pictures of the hitch that is coming with the 1950 and looks to be just a standard WD hitch with no sway control. It looks like the hitch has three weight ratings on the side that goes like this:

Tongue Weight Max Gross Trailer Weight
501-800lb. 8,000lb.
801-1,000lb. 10,000lb.
1,001-? 14,000lb.

But it had to the right of that a statement with Spring Bars

Below that it had Gross Trailer Weight without Spring Bars is 5,000lb. and I couldn't make out the tongue weight, the sticker was scratched off in that area. The hitch did have a extra ball to the right so I am assuming that the previous owner of it (it was bought used from a dealer in the area by this owner) had some form of friction sway control. It also said at the top of the sticker Round Bar Weight Distribution Hitch.

I haven't taken the time yet to figure out how to post a picture to the site but will try to do so later on today or tonight.

Thanks,
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