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View Poll Results: Stay at Buttonwood or Move to a Different Campground?
Stay at Buttonwood 2 13.33%
Move to Bald Eagle State Park 4 26.67%
Move to Ives Run Campground 8 53.33%
Other (please specify campground in a reply) 1 6.67%
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Old 02-26-2018, 07:53 AM   #1
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Do we Stay @ Buttonwood or Move to a Different Cmpgrnd in 2019?

Some members that have attended the Buttonwood M&G have commented on how the cost of sites at Buttonwood has increased and if anyone would be interested in moving to a different campground that is more reasonable in site cost.

Just an FYI in 2007 our 1st M&G at Buttonwood a Standard RV Site w/ WES daily rate was $33. Now for that same site the daily rate is $55, Pull-thru sites are $60 / night.
Premium sites require a 3 day minimum stay with a daily rate of - $65 back-in; $68 pull-thru.

Since moving the location of the M&G is a community decision, I thought I would create a post and poll so both current; past and future Buttonwood attendees have an option to share their thoughts and opinions.

Please post a reply to this post and share your thoughts and options on staying at Buttonwood or moving to a different campground.

Some other campgrounds that have been mentioned as a potential new location for this early June M&G are:
  • Bald Eagle State Park (Howard, PA)
    Cost $42.50 for 50A Full Hook-up; $38.50 for 30A Full Hook-up; $29.50 for Electric
  • Ives Run (in Tioga, PA)
    Cost: $40 full Hook-up; Water & Electric $36 (50% discount with Senior Pass)


If you have other campgrounds that are potential options to move the M&G to, please post them.

I plan to have a discussion at this years Buttonwood M&G during or immediately after Saturday's Pot-Luck dinner to talk about the 2019 gathering - where to have it, who will be hosting it, etc.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and opinions.
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Old 02-26-2018, 08:53 AM   #2
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We're ready for a move. The cost of Buttonwood has become prohibitive, and we've cut back to 3 nights this year because of that. Also, they do less for us each year. ie. No more discount or free kayak shuttle. The 50% senior discount at Ives Run is attractive, and that would be fine with us as well. I voted for Bald Eagle because it's closer for people coming from the south, and they have a boating concession that rents everything from paddle boards to kayaks to pontoon boats.
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Subscribing. While I like Buttonwood and like the river, I agree that it's time for a change. Like Pam said, when I was there last, it didn't feel like the group was appreciated for the loyalty at all. Even though I don't come every year, the pull over Mount Nittany from the north does make a long trip even longer. Both campgrounds seem like great alternatives.
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I think state parks are a bad idea for a meet & greet. Reservations are first come first served (no holding sites), so there is little chance of everyone being together and you don't know how many people are coming.
There aren't many full hook up sites, and they are hard to get if you don't reserve 11 months ahead (A lot of people don't like to camp with out hook ups). Also it's too risky to take a site unseen not knowing if it's big enough to fit in (many sites can only accommodate popup size trailers). We've seen a lot of Pa state parks and would never risk reserving a site unseen.
State parks are fine for small groups, but not a large group. The M&G normally has too many people to have a pot luck dinner or sit around a camp fire at someones site.
We aren't voting at this time as we need to think about this some more.
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I think state parks are a bad idea for a meet & greet. Reservations are first come first served (no holding sites), so there is little chance of everyone being together and you don't know how many people are coming.
There aren't many full hook up sites, and they are hard to get if you don't reserve 11 months ahead (A lot of people don't like to camp with out hook ups). Also it's too risky to take a site unseen not knowing if it's big enough to fit in (many sites can only accommodate popup size trailers). We've seen a lot of Pa state parks and would never risk reserving a site unseen.
State parks are fine for small groups, but not a large group. The M&G normally has too many people to have a pot luck dinner or sit around a camp fire at someones site.
We aren't voting at this time as we need to think about this some more.
All valid points Mike, thanks for sharing.
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Matthew & I will not be camping at the Meet-n-Greet at Buttonwood this year, altho’ we will most likely be at the covered dish (& pay the visitors’ fee for that). Our primary reason for not going this year is that, being “non-retired,” our vacation time is limited & we want to do some roadtrips with our 2363. That being said, we also believe that Buttonwood is getting too expensive for what is being offered & that the management has little interest in having the SOC camp there as a group.

Mike, you make some valid points, such as the lack of FHUs at State Parks & the varying sizes of sites. I think it has to be taken into consideration tho’ that Buttonwood is no longer holding sites for our group and last summer encouraged us to reserve a year ahead to guarantee our sites. That’s no different than the SPs &, in fact, the cancellation policy for SPs is a lot “friendlier” than Buttonwood’s. As you pointed out, having the covered dish at someone’s campsite in a SP wouldn’t work for a group our size, however, all of the SPs where we’ve camped have sizable pavilions (large enough to accommodate the SOC) which can be reserved ahead of time, some with fireplaces & electric.

No doubt, holding the M-n-G at a SP would mean an adjustment for us as a group, especially for those doing the organizing. Do any of the other M-n-G’s meet at a SP; if so, how has that worked?

We’re voting Ive’s Run but have no problem going wherever the Club decides.
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All valid points. While we haven't been to Bald Eagle at least one section of their campground is new with paved sites that accommodate large units. There are site pictures when you sign on to reserve. Ives Run sites are huge. Ives does have a pavilion. Both of these have some full hook up sites, with Ives having mostly FHU. The Adirondack M&G is at a state park, and they rent a site for the pot luck.
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We are not attending this years M&G at Buttonwood. While we have our own reasons for not returning to Buttonwood we would be interested if there is a change of venue. We will miss everyone this year.
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We camp at, or just visit, a lot of PA state parks. Never been to Bald Eagle, and it looks nice, so I had my BIL check it out for me. His only gripes were somewhat open tree canopy for the sites (I always joke he is alergic to the sun) and due to the weather some sites were under water. Don't think I've ever had a bad experience at a SP, so we keep going back!

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all of the SPs where we’ve camped have sizable pavilions (large enough to accommodate the SOC) which can be reserved ahead of time, some with fireplaces & electric.
Little North of Bald Eagle SP is Ole Bull SP, not sure if your looking for more options but they have reservable pavilions. I know one has a fireplace and electric.
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Campground rates are becoming more ridiculous each year. Campground owners blame it on things such as property taxes, utility rates, and the biggest beast of all, insurance. Sure, it's cheaper than a motel room, but is it really? If you pay $50 a night, how much of a bargain is it if you just spent three times the amount of fuel pulling your RV to get there . And it really doesn't matter what part of the country you're in either. RV recreation is a huge business now, and like any popular business, the more people want it the more their gonna pay for it. I know some campground owners want to cash in on the bigger profits because they have employees to pay. Most of them are kids, but they are still on the payroll, and that affects the rate you pay. Like it or not the old saying "If you wanna play, you gotta pay" still applies.
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Haven't been on the site for a while, so we have little to add that has not been said! We will not be at Buttonwood this year as it is very expensive and we also feel we (SOC) are not appreciated there. Ive's Run sounds great ! We love it there.
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New member thoughts

As a newer member that hasn’t attended an M&G, I did vote for a change.
I was a wagon master for another group for a number of years and we went to Buttonwood for a few years. While the campground is nice, I feel they are now overpriced.
We are still undecided if we are going to attend this year.
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I have camped at Ole Bull In Potter county many times and it is the best SP campground in central Pa. The Camping area is flat and all the sites are very accessible. Kettle creek runs through the middle of the park with great trout fishing. This one would get my vote.
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I thought I would start a Pros & Cons on staying at Buttonwood & moving to another location.

Please feel free to contribute more Pros & Cons, I'm sure there's many others I haven't thought of.

Staying at Buttonwood Pros & Cons:
Pros:
1. All full hook-up sites
2. River trip
3. Free use of M&G Tent & campfire area.
4. Centrally located
Cons:
1. Cost
2. 3 night minimum on premium sites

Moving to a PA State Park Pros & Cons:
Pros:
1. Cost of sites
Cons:
1. Limited full hook-up sites
2. Sites may be difficult for larger rigs (depending on SP)
3. Pets restricted to Pet Loops only
4. Would need to rent an extra site as a M&G area.
5. Would need EZ-Ups for M&G site
6. Cost to rent a Pavilion (as option to M&G site)

Moving to Ives Run Pros & Cons:
Pros:
1. Cost of sites
2. Large number of Full Hook-up Sites
3. No Pet restrictions (i.e., no dedicated pet loop)
4. Majority of sites can handle larger rigs
Cons:
1. No area for evening camp fires.
2. Cost to rent a Pavilion on week-ends
No cost to reserve a Pavilion on week-days
3. Not centrally located (longer distance for attendees from MD, VA, etc.)
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