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Old 08-30-2010, 01:08 PM   #99
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Frank you're accomplishing magic and your photo skill are just fine too. What a quality buildup this is and such exceptional execution too. This is such a beauty of a trailer...most anyone would agree on that. Great job keeping us all in on the progress too. You're a talented fellow I must say!

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Wow, your doing GREAT!!! The Formica and counter tops came out really good. The trim bit for the router, is that a straight side cutting end mill with a bearing on it?

The last Formica I did, ( a long time ago....) I did not have a router and did it the old way. File/sand, file, sand some more.... I have some counter top work to do on "The Camper" if I can ever get to it. And now I have the router.

The siding... it looks like it filled your Sunny. Did you have to remove the rear window to get it in for transport?

The roof, I lost track did you pick up roofing material up in Elkhart?

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Old 08-31-2010, 09:43 PM   #101
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Frank you're accomplishing magic and your photo skill are just fine too. What a quality buildup this is and such exceptional execution too. This is such a beauty of a trailer...most anyone would agree on that. Great job keeping us all in on the progress too. You're a talented fellow I must say!

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Wow, your doing GREAT!!! The Formica and counter tops came out really good. The trim bit for the router, is that a straight side cutting end mill with a bearing on it?

The last Formica I did, ( a long time ago....) I did not have a router and did it the old way. File/sand, file, sand some more.... I have some counter top work to do on "The Camper" if I can ever get to it. And now I have the router.

The siding... it looks like it filled your Sunny. Did you have to remove the rear window to get it in for transport?

The roof, I lost track did you pick up roofing material up in Elkhart?

We are all rooting for ya.

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Thanks John. Yes, the router (and even more so the little laminate trimmer) makes the job much easier. I can't imagine hand filing everything. Careful with the router, they multiply like rabbits (or like Sunspots over at Marshall & Sue's place) - I'm up to four now!

For the router bit, I used a "flush trim bit" - about a 1/2" in diameter with a guide bearing on the bottom, cutters are on the side as opposed to a straight bit with the cutters on the bottom like an end mill. Apparently the "pros" like the non-bearing bits - They're cheaper, smaller in diameter so they get into the corners a little better, and no bearing means no bearing getting caked up with contact cement. If you use the non-bearing bit you need to lube the edges of the work with something, I've seen guys use vaseline, beeswax and even lard. You also need to keep the router moving at all times or you will burn the laminate, that's tough when you don't do this every day. I'll stick with the bearing and deal with filing the corners and cleaning the bit every 30' or so.

The siding was a tight squeeze. I needed 14' lengths to do the job, but the only stuff available was 16' and something like 36'. The 16' fit in the Sunline, but it had to go vertical instead of laying flat and it had to sit on a diagonal as well, only ~12' of clear floor space in the 2363. I taped it up tight in bundles of 6 pieces and used everything at my disposal to keep it safe and vertical on the trip home - pillows, towels, paper towels, trash can, you name it, it was wedged in there somewhere. Made the last night sleeping on the way home interesting to say the least. Thankfully, it's home with no damage.

I did manage to get it in and out without removing the entire window. I was able to remove the operating pane from the back window rather easily. 2 E clips to remove the crank out arms from the pane and carefully rotate it up and free. Saved me the butyl tape hassle.

The rubber roofing I picked up off a guy on ebay a little while back. Dirt cheap, I paid something like $45 shipped for a 25' or so length - way less than retail. Good thing too as I didn't see any for sale in Elkhart. I wasn't looking real hard, but it's hard to miss a 10' wide roll of anything. The only downside is the guy folded it and shipped it in a box. That made the shipping cheap, but I need to get it out in the sun streched out to get rid of the creases and then roll it up. Need to do that soon as I'm hoping to put that on in about 2 weeks.

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Old 09-01-2010, 08:31 AM   #102
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Frank, the build looks awesome!!! You are doing a great job and I am really enjoying following your progress. It looks like I just missed you in Elkhart as I was there the week before you.

Bontrager's is fantastic place as well as the RV outlet. We dropped a lot of cash at both places. By accident we stumbled across another RV surplus shop 12 miles from Bontrager's called Johnson's Surplus. When at Johnson's I did see the they had the rubber roofing at a really great price. Honestly, for anyone who is an RV enthusiast these places are like a candy store for kids. We are planning a trip back next year with an empty trailer to pickup more stuff.

Looking forward to following the continuing build of the trailer.
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Frank,
WOW......you are doing an Amazing job !
Thanks again for taking time to share your photos with us.
Your photos are GREAT..
I really enjoy seeing your posts and look foward to see your progress with every post you make......

It looks 70% - 80% like the Que. The bigest difference I see is the Que's axle is about 1 foot (give or take a couple of inches) farther to the rear, so you will have less weight on the ball.
I guess you went with your orig.plan for 9Gal.black & 23 Gal.gray?

The ONLY thing I would like different on the Que is LARGER black & gray tanks. At 13 & 25 they are way too small. For me at least a 25gal.black & 30-35 gray would be good. The Que has room for larger tanks, but I guess to save money they chose these......
I now see some new TT's the size of the Que with 31gal.black & gray tanks.
The fresh @ 21 or 28gals.+6 hot water is fine. We never travel with the fresh more than 1/3 full.
We stay a few weeks each year at a State Pk. with ONLY water & elect. So we have to dump every third day mostly because of the small 13gal.black tank....
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Looks great. You are truly a craftsman. Have you weighed it yet?

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Frank, the build looks awesome!!! You are doing a great job and I am really enjoying following your progress. It looks like I just missed you in Elkhart as I was there the week before you.

Bontrager's is fantastic place as well as the RV outlet. We dropped a lot of cash at both places. By accident we stumbled across another RV surplus shop 12 miles from Bontrager's called Johnson's Surplus. When at Johnson's I did see the they had the rubber roofing at a really great price. Honestly, for anyone who is an RV enthusiast these places are like a candy store for kids. We are planning a trip back next year with an empty trailer to pickup more stuff.

Looking forward to following the continuing build of the trailer.
Thanks!

I really picked the wrong week for Elkhart. You were there the week before and Sunline Fan the week after!

I found out about Johnson's too late. If I'm ever out that way again, I will check it out for sure.

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Frank,
WOW......you are doing an Amazing job !
Thanks again for taking time to share your photos with us.
Your photos are GREAT..
I really enjoy seeing your posts and look foward to see your progress with every post you make......

It looks 70% - 80% like the Que. The bigest difference I see is the Que's axle is about 1 foot (give or take a couple of inches) farther to the rear, so you will have less weight on the ball.
I guess you went with your orig.plan for 9Gal.black & 23 Gal.gray?

Thanks for the compliment!

Yes, I had to go with the 9 & 23. Larger is always nice, but I have a hard stop at 2700 lbs, and those tanks were the most we could swing. I don't think it will be a problem, since this is primarily a weekend rig. In our 2363, the wife and I can easily make a 3 day weekend on the 25 gallon grey tank, with showers and dishes every day. I don't think the 9 gal black will be an issue, as we've stretched our black tank for 8 days (the longest we've ever been out). I try to throttle the pedal usage in relation to how long we are going to be out.

I'm sure my brother is going to have a steep learning curve. He likes his 30 minute showers..

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Looks great. You are truly a craftsman. Have you weighed it yet?

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Thanks Norm! I was just over in your thread checking out the progress.

I haven't weighed it yet. I will when it's road worthy (siding on). I got my hands on a jack which I will turn into a force jack, but it needs a set of seals and I don't have time to overhaul it right now with trying to finish up the trailer. I really want to get out and camp a couple of more weekends this year before it gets cold, so I need to get it done ASAP.

My initial estimate was just under 2,000 with fresh water on board, leaving about 700 lbs until GVWR. I think we're going to be just a little over that, hoping for no more than 2,100. If I'm wrong, I'll be buying an axle shortly..

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We've been working hard on the build the last 4 weeks, but are at that stage where you do a bunch of stuff and don't wind up with much to look at. I had thought we could have it ready this past week to take it out and show some friends that were camping nearby, but things lately have just taken up a whole lot more time than I had anticipated. Right now my brother has some days off for the weekend of October 15th, so we're trying to get it together by then.

Here's an update to show some of what we got done the past few weeks.

September 4:

During the week after we did the countertops, my brother built a medicine cabinet carcass at home and got it finished up. Here's the bare frame ready to go in:



And mounted up on the wall, above the toilet:




After that cabinet was in, my brother started working on the door and drawer frames. He got all the stock cut to size and marked, and started cutting the tongue & grooves with the router table. The doors will all be shaker style. I sent him home with the stock, the router table and a pile of clamps. He's been plugging away at the doors a few hours after work here and there. They should be done within a week or two. Unfortunately, I didn't get any pictures of that since I was in the trailer working on the electrical.

I got the light fixtures wired and mounted up. Here's a shot from the middle looking forward. There's a double fixture on the ceiling above the seating area and two reading lamps over the couch:




A double in the bathroom centered over the sink. There's a second single fixture over the shower, but that one has to wait until the surround goes in:




Looking towards the back there's a double fixture over the galley:




And two doubles over the countertop for work lighting:




Testing the fixtures:








September 5:

My brother was back home at work, but I wanted to get a little more done. I wired and mounted a pair of 12V lighter sockets on the wall next to the bed for cell phone charging or whatever:




Mounted the tank monitor panel:




Mounted & wired up the thermostat:




Finished wiring and mounting the light switches. First, the bathroom ones:



And these handle the outside porch light, a small step light, and a single fixture mounted directly over the door inside:




I then wired and mounted some single fixtures in the storage compartments. One on each end up front:





And one under the counter in the rear:




September 6:

Started on the AC wiring that day. Here's the outlet for the fridge:




The road side wall, where all the wiring heads to the converter panel:




Most of the wiring is ran through the roof, keeping the runs as short as possible:







Yeah, there's just a little bit of copper in this thing..


Once the wires were run and secure, I moved inside and started installing outlets:










September 11:

With the wiring ran, it was time to move towards closing this up. We built a small platform in the roof for the crank-up TV antenna, and dry-fit that to make sure it would sit level. We also test-fit the A/C at the same time to make sure it would sit within the manufacturer's specs for level. Good thing we did, the level was fine but I found that the grey tank vent was just about under the shroud. Turns out the shroud was much wider than I had thought. We relocated the vent and solved that problem fairly easily. Would have been a nightmare if the roofing was on..



With the antenna down:




From the inside, the interior half of the A/C and the handle for the antenna. Plenty of clearance for both:




I also started terminating the wiring at the converter and getting things cleaned up. If you look off to the left of this picture you can see the combination LP Gas and CO detector mounted in the wall:




My brother made up a cover for the wheel well:




And enclosed and lined the two storage cubbies on each end of the couch/bed:






Before we pulled the antenna and the A/C off the roof, I grabbed the TV out of our camper so we could test the antenna wiring:




Built a small box for under the couch, ran the 7 pin connector and started working on that portion of the DC:




Installed a support block on the road side for the city water inlet:




And framed out the opening for the water heater:



From the inside (it took a beating in that pop-up, it will need to be replaced next year):




September 17 & 18:

I spaced out these two days and forgot to grab the camera. We made up a frame for the fresh water tank and got that hung, then pulled it back down for some touch-up painting. I'll get some pictures of the tank once it's back in. We also pulled wire for all the trailer lighting - the tails and the 11(!) required marker lights. We also got the shower surround cut down to size and had to re-do the tub platform to drop it 3/4" closer to the floor. Doing so was the only way to make the surround work, since it has a design cast into it. I'll get some pictures of this later in the week when the surround is hopefully permanently installed.


September 24 & 25:

During the week I picked up the supplies for the fresh water plumbing and on Friday we ran out for insulation. Wound up with 1 3/8" foil faced "Tuff-R" foam board as it was the thickest (and highest R) we could fit in the wall cavities.

My brother worked outside cutting and installing the insulation. Started Friday on the door side:






Then Saturday he started on the roof:






The he moved to the rear wall:




And finally the road side:






He worked on that right until dark and got it about 90% complete. There's 6 or 8 more little pieces of insulation cut and ready to install on the road side. Then the gaps for wiring and blocking need to be filled with some thinner material and spray foam.


Meanwhile, I was inside working on the fresh water plumbing. Started with the Galley sink:






..And worked my way around. Snakes through the rear storage compartment:




Under the refrigerator:




Through the wall into the bathroom:




Where it feeds the bathroom sink. The valves and pipes through the floor are to drain the pipes. The open Tee is for the City water inlet.




I ran the pipes through into the shower and towards the water heater and water pump, but haven't taken pictures there yet because I didn't finish up all the connections. I'll get that done a couple of nights this week after work.

All the plumbing is 1/2" pex and the foam insulation is really on it to stop vibration. The RV pumps tend to make the pipes vibrate at anything less than full flow, and it really gets annoying. I'm hoping the foam will keep the noise down.


I'll be putting in as much time as possible this week after work (weather permitting) because I am really trying to get the siding on this thing on Saturday.


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Quick update..

Finished up the insulation and filled any gaps with spray foam:












Cut the excess spray foam flush with a jamb saw:






There's 2 pieces of insulation left to go in, behind the shower surround. The surround is cut to size and ready to be installed, so that should be completed during the week if I can catch a day without rain..


Meanwhile, I finished up the supply plumbing. Back under the bath sink is the city water connection:




The shower feed:




Water pump connection:




And finally the water heater. The 3 way valve and tee is a bypass for winterization:




Then finished up the inside wiring. The only thing left was the monitor panel and the power to the water pump:




Finished and tested plus some wiring cleanup:




I had procrastinated on the drains long enough, it was time to break out the glue and make it permanent. Did the grey tank stack, the shower drain and the bath sink drain:




Would have knocked out the galley sink as well, but ran into a problem with the sink tailpiece. The lip on the tailpiece is too thick so the nut can't get a good grip on the basket. Will pick up a new tailpiece this week and knock that out.


Finally, we got the roof decked with plywood:










The joints need to be sanded smooth as there is a slight bit of lippage in a couple of places. It looks really bad in the pictures but is less than 1/16" in reality. Then the excess needs trimmed with the router.

Unless something really goes wrong this week we should be hanging siding on Saturday.


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Wow Frank. Your now on the home stretch. The light at the end of the tunnel is getting closer. And no, there is not a locomotive attached to the light

GREAT job. I like the foamed insulation. Nice and tight.

The roof, what thickness very nice looking plywood did you end up with?

The Pex, I see you got the "kit" too. Bought the Pex tool kit now about 3 years ago. Once your past the $$ it is really a great tool and setup. My son now borrows the kit as his entire modular home is piped with it. The fittings are not that expensive and if you crimp right, it will not leak period.

Keep up the good work

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