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Old 11-19-2009, 06:47 PM   #1
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Count your blessings Stan...

I've been trying to help Stan locate his Suburban and found it online. After seeing the pictures and knowing what condition the T-299SR ended up in, I honestly am amazed they survived.

Stan.... Get well! There's a reason you are still with us....

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Old 11-19-2009, 06:52 PM   #2
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After looking at the pictures again, I found something interesting...

Notice how the hitch head ended up..

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Boy you are a good internet hunter… These things are upsetting to say the least.

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If any Sunline owner needs helps setting up your WD hitch, sway control, has issues with sway or towing please create a post in the Towing section here on Sunline club asking for help. This is the forum to ask for help with no put downs and we try to be a factual as we can. There are no dumb questions when it comes to towing. There are many of us willing to help you sort out your system the best we can or point your where to go and get help.

Stan and Peggy, we wish you the best and a speedy recovery. If you ever want to sort out in your head what may have gone wrong, let us know, we are hear to listen and learn from your very unfortunate accident.

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OMG, since we are newbies here, we can only offer our prayers for your quick recovery - whatever happened.

John - for us newbies, what did happen, so that we can avoid the same thing. Was this a trailer accident?
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Stan and Peggy, we are wishing you a very speedy recovery,,,,seeing the damage to the Surburban and trailer and being an EMT - you are very lucky.

Gary ~ John - I showed Leo the pics and his first comment was about the hitch - is it possible that this is one of the hitches with two balls???? Perhpas the top ball snapped off???? If this was a one ball hitch and the pin snapped I think it would be more likely to come OUT rather than spin in the receiver end......
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OMG, since we are newbies here, we can only offer our prayers for your quick recovery - whatever happened.

John - for us newbies, what did happen, so that we can avoid the same thing. Was this a trailer accident?
Ron and Alice,
Stan was driving westbound on I-70 and had just climbed South Mountain, near Hagerstown, MD. Just after cresting the hill, his Sunline started to sway badly. He tried accelerating out of it, but there was traffic ahead of him. He thought to try using the brake controller's lever, but let off the gas pedal as he was reaching for it. Once he let off the gas, the whole rig swayed uncontrollably. It was then, that the Sunline flipped onto it's right (Door) side. The rotational force of the TT, pulled the Suburban along with it. When they came to a stop, the Suburban was on it's roof and Stan and Peggy were trapped. All of the windows in the Suburban were shattered and both of their dogs got out. Only one of their dogs was able to be recovered by animal control.

From looking at the picture of the hitch and seeing the coupler on the TT, it is a true testament to the quality parts Sunline used for their frames. I will try to remember to take a picture of the coupler tomorrow. There really isn't much damage to it and we were able to tow it here.

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Gary ~ John - I showed Leo the pics and his first comment was about the hitch - is it possible that this is one of the hitches with two balls???? Perhpas the top ball snapped off???? If this was a one ball hitch and the pin snapped I think it would be more likely to come OUT rather than spin in the receiver end......

Stan knew better, than to use friction sway control. What he had, was an old style Reese dual cam setup. Where we believe the trouble started, was that he was sold a set of new style trunnion bars and told it was fine to use with the old style cams. I am trying to retrieve those bars, but not having much luck.

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This is a subject of high interest to me.

Does anyone know what initiated the sway? the speed at wich they were traveling?

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Does anyone know what initiated the sway? the speed at wich they were traveling?

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We believe that the sway was allowed to happen, because of the combination of cams/WD bars he was using. He had the new style WD bars and the old style cams on the TT. The sway occured just after he crested a mountain.
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Stan knew better, than to use friction sway control. What he had, was an old style Reese dual cam setup. Where we believe the trouble started, was that he was sold a set of new style trunnion bars and told it was fine to use with the old style cams. I am trying to retrieve those bars, but not having much luck.

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What is wrong with friction sway bars? I know they "damper" sway not prevent it. I've read that the Cam Lock style prevents it.
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What is wrong with friction sway bars? I know they "damper" sway not prevent it. I've read that the Cam Lock style prevents it.
From what I've heard quite a few times, friction sway controls become basically useless for any trailer over about 26', and pretty much any slide trailer. The size of the sidewalls of the larger trailers give a larger surface area for wind to push on, and the leverage is just too much for a friction sway control. It just can't be tightened enough to keep the trailer in control. I personally wouldn't use them on much more than a 24' if I had the choice.

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We use the friction sway bar and it works well on our little trailer. The tightening level is important. I've seen another camper over tighten and all it did was bend the mounting plate on the hitch because it couldn't or barely moved on turns.

Hill cresting can be an issue I assume because there can be an angular change between trailer and tow vehicle and a speed change. It's more complex the more I think about it.
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I think mine works pretty good right now. my 98 is only 26' and i never had any real problems with sway except when the 18 wheelers pass me on I95. I try to tighten it up alittle more when i get on interstates and i never exceed 60mph. I'm planning on making a 6000 mile trip next summer going west to Carlsbad Caverns, yellowstone and, back to Ga. Has anyone made such a long trip to the windy west? do yall think my fricton bar set up is good for this kind of trip or should i plan on upgrading to the equi-l-zer set-up?
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after reading about Stan's accident and possible hitch issue it makes me alittle nervous.
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